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    This should be illegal to the point that whoever is responsible for this tweet should be jailed for st least 5 years.

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      If Amazon paid someone/company to do this, then it definitely is illegal. But likely no jail for anyone, just minor fines chocked up to the “cost of doing business”

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        Yeah, no, that should be jail time for whoever sighed off on this.

        Make a few examples and people will very quickly stop signing off on shit like this

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      Except the king of disinformation bought Twitter. And “we” not only keep using it en masse, but basically elected him as president.

      I dunno about the rest of the world, but the US is way past the event horizon, and the chance of ever arresting people like this is less than zero.

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        This whole election is nuts. RFK Jr. is gonna gut the FDA and NIH so they have to outsource more and draw more lawsuits which will feed his own stupid advocacy firm, or he’ll switch his company over to consulting and score millions more by outsourcing the FDA to his own workers. And Elon is obviously going to benefit himself. And Trump is gonna wreak havoc on the economy in the long run with his tariffs if he’s being serious, and his border policies are a disaster… this isn’t going to go well.

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            yeah that’s what I just said. and its a bad idea. if you believe the government is inefficient, you don’t just fire everyone lol. you work on a granular level to incentivize efficiency through policy adjustments.

            The fact they’re just planning on firing everyone is proof they’re not interested in helping Americans. They just want to strain federal agencies to a point they have to outsource even more than they do. This way, these people retain power vai consultant firms etc. long after they step out of office.

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      As a Single Mother With Two Children I am afraid that the Union will be bad, aktuly. Are you disagreeing with me? You simply don’t understand what its like to be a Single Mother With Two Children. Why are you attacking me? I am a simple Single Mother With Two Children who is too weak and tired to argue with you.

      As a Single Mother With Two Children I am just asking questions about why the Union is bad and now you, a big Pro-Union Thug, are hurting me and my Two Children who are very small and vulnerable.

      Stop! Please! Help! The Union is Hurting Me! It’s just as I anticipated!

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      Hey now, yer fancy pants logic ain’t wahlcome round these parts. - Muricuh

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      I was part of a union. I got paid minum wage. My manager was the union rep. I had to work a role that I was literally allergic to.

      Despite this, I’m still pro-union. Just not that particular union.

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        My manager was the union rep

        I’m like 80% certain that’s illegal basically everywhere innit? Conflict of interest

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          They may also be using the term manager very loosely. At my workplace most of the supervisors are union, but they have 1 top person at each department of each worksite who’s excluded from the union (not really management, but a company representative at least).

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            In my union, reps have to be put up for vote every three years, and if even after that you still don’t like them, you have the option to go straight to your FTO.

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        I’ve never heard of management being in the same bargaining unit as the rank and file. Odd.

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    Unless you live in a “Right to Work” state, then you get to benefit from the work of unions without contributing any money to their efforts, much like a leech benefits from the blood production of the animal it attaches itself to.

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      I think the comparison to a leech is accurate, as the leech does not know or understand it is a bloodsucking parasite, but continues to steal blood and nutrients, those ignorant of the work unions perform will benefit from them regardless of their contribution.

      Rarely do you find someone who both genuinely understands what a union is for and declines to join when offered the opportunity.

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      Not exactly, you will receive the prevailing wage, but not the full benefits package. No thanks to right to work, it’s a big pile of bullshit too.

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    The anti-union Americans have a vacuum between their ears and enjoy 3rd World working conditions. F-them.

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      Some countries are like that. There are pros and cons to it though. The unions are stronger when people bother joining.

      Also, being covered by an agreement at your work is only part of what unions offer. They have other services for members, like getting your salary checked, legal support, salary insurance, various discounts for stuff, etc.

      It might be tempting to save the membership fee, but don’t be a leech. Someone worked hard to get the benefits for everyone. Join the union.

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        i was a part of the union for several years, went to meetings and voted and everything. unfortunately i became disabled and the amount of medical bills etc became so overwhelming i had to cut everything i could. since i was still covered by the union, i had to make that choice for me, even tho it bothers me. I’m not a leech, just in an unfortunate financial position currently. $40 is a lot for some people, especially if they have mouths to feed :(

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    could have been real because of some “ambassador” scheme they had where they’d hook a select few warehouse workers with social media handles to spread the propaganda

    which only makes it more creepy if you ask me.

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      they’d hook a select few warehouse workers with social media handles to spread the propaganda

      Then, if the media didn’t trend or the employees couldn’t keep up with their workload plus social media, they were fired.

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    That’s such a laughably bad “unions bad” take. If there was such a thing as a kind of insurance where they fight to keep you employed, people would probably sign up and pay the fees.

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    I’ve always wondered, what prevents creating a corporation to hire every worker possible, makes them proportional owners, and then negotiates wages and benefits on their behalf?

    One enormous corporation that has all of the benefits of a union.

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        THIS right here. Mondragon is exactly what GP Is asking about.

        If you’re reading this and thinking about starting an LLC, non-profit, co-op, or union shop, please give this a look too.

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          If it operates like an agency, it’s already at a disadvantage because the real profit is being made by someone else anyway. Otherwise it’s a neat idea.

          You don’t hire an agency to break even, you hire an agency to work on projects you assume will bring you profit. In my industry in particular, you might hire some agency employees, spend a few hundred thousand a year, to help finish a product that will rake in tens of millions a year, or to create some internal tooling that saves you millions in employee productivity.

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      I think a major issue is that if the corporation cannot find work for all of its employees, how will it pay them? And since, presumably, there will be admin staff required who also need to be paid, the amount this corporation will charge the employers of the workers will have to be more than is paid to the workers. If this amount is significant, employers can poach employees from the “union corp” by offering more money, while still saving themselves money.

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    I mean, they’ll probably get you more than your dues cost, by a lot… So, there’s that…

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    that’s why education in the topic matters. So the roomtemp mf have the info before the business gets to feed them desinfo (or before they try to think for themselves and come to wrong conclusions)

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      I do know plenty of people who think this way, and I find the post quite plausible. There’s been so much disinformation about unions in the US, for the last couple generations, that people don’t know any better.

      However as an edge case, I do believe it was true for my brother working part time minimum wage. As far as we could tell there were no benefits for the part timers, no extra pay, no protections, no perks, just extra dues to pay. It’s too bad too, this could have been the unions chance to re-educate, show them benefits when someone is starting out so they support unions the rest of their lives. Instead it reinforced his prior attitude and he remains anti-union to this day

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    What bothers me most about unions is the increased bargaining power labour gets when they work together. As a manager, my employer expects me to use every trick possible to pay those actually making the company run as little as possible and unions make it much harder to get my bonuses.

    But I use one neat trick and pay the employees the money that then gets directed to running the union as a deduction from their paycheck and many of them don’t even notice that the difference in overall take-home because of that increased bargaining power is higher than the union dues. They focus on the nickels and dimes and don’t even notice the dollars!

    And the fact that I need to meet certain criteria before I can fire them due to the union contact doesn’t even show up on the paycheck–they often don’t even think about it until it’s too late!