• Eramidik@lemmy.zipOP
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    11 months ago

    What if they intended to fulfill the promise but never actually did? Does that not make it a lie all the same?

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      11 months ago

      I don’t think so. That would make it a mistake. Just like if I made a claim that I believed true but wasn’t.

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      11 months ago

      Am I lying if I try to answer a question to the best of my knowledge and end up being wrong?

      I don’t think you can make something a lie retroactively if it was supposed to be true at the time.

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        11 months ago

        There is still a bit of a gray area there, though, which is that if you know you are not a subject matter expert, you should try to disclose that.

        Hence why “IANAL” is so recurring on any online discussion about legal advice, because you want to offer what insight you can but you definitely don’t want to mislead anyone into believing your potentially dangerous legal advice is authoritative.

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          11 months ago

          I disclose that by using words that describe my level of certainty. Like “I think” or “Possibly” or “It may be the case” or “I’m tempted to think”.

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      11 months ago

      If I promise to drive you to the airport but moments before I’m to pick you up my mom has a stroke and winds up in the emergency room, and I call you and tell you get a cab my mom just had a stroke. Did I lie? Answer : no I didn’t.

      It’s only a lie if I had no intention of picking you up to begin with.

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      11 months ago

      It’s not a lie the first time. But if you promise to do the dishes and then go to bed without doing them several times, the next time you promise it, it’s a lie.

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        Going to bed without doing the dishes even once makes it a lie, unless you’re literally passing out and just happen to steer yourself to fall on the bed.

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        11 months ago

        Still not a lie if you intended to do them. It turns out to be misleading, false and a failure but thats not lying.

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          11 months ago

          Lying to yourself is still lying.

          Also, saying you can fly is a lie even if you intend to fly. Saying you will lift a car is a lie even if you want to lift the car.

          Saying you will do something and then making no effort to do that thing is lying. I don’t care that in the moment you say it you intend to do it, if you don’t intend to take the steps that lead you to do it, it’s lying.

          Saying you will do the dishes and then never walking up to the sink or turning on the water and instead playing video games and then going to bed is lying. You will not do the dishes, even though you said you would.

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      No, its only a lie if they say they were going to do it without ever intending to do so. If they intended to do it and something happened that prevented them from doing it, it wasn’t a lie. If you’re looking for a reason to be pissed at someone for not fulfilling a promise you still can be justified depending on the rest of the context.

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      11 months ago

      No, that makes the person who promised to do something incapable of doing it. If I promise to jump over a stool and fail that doesn’t make me a liar because I actually intended to fulfill that promise.