The president’s speech at a South Carolina church did not go over well with the GOP candidate.
Joe Biden gave a speech in South Carolina on Monday, and Nikki Haley isn’t happy about it. Specifically, she’s not happy about the part where the president called her out for her extremely cringeworthy comments about the Civil War, saying, “Let me be clear, for those who don’t seem to know: Slavery was the cause of the Civil War.”
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The issue of the Civil War—and her commentary on it—has come up for Haley in the past. While running for governor of South Carolina in 2010, she described the war as a matter of two sides fighting over “tradition” and “change,” adding that the Confederate flag was “not something that is racist.” She also claimed there was no reason to take the flag down from the statehouse grounds (until five years later, after the mass shooting at the Charleston church). After Haley’s gaffe in December, Jaime Harrison, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, said that her failure to mention slavery was “not stunning if you were a Black resident in SC when she was Governor.”
Here’s the thing about the states that seceded - they drafted ordinances of secession with a declaration of causes for secession, and they all say they’re leaving the union because they want to enslave black people.
There is no debate about this. It was written down by the confederates.
Georgia’s first paragraph in their declaration of causes:
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property
Mississippi, second sentence:
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.
South Carolina, first paragraph:
The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
Texas, 3rd paragraph in after babbling about dates and tranquility:
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy.
Virginia, first paragraph:
the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.
Just a note, I think secession instead of succession?
secession
Thanks. Dyslexic guy here. So I make stupid typos like this a lot. 😅
Can I ask where you found this? I want to learn where I can look this up in the future when some doofus claims a different reason for the civil war
They’re readily available, if you Google any state followed by letter of secession they will pop right up.
Here’s Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina’, Virginia, and Texas:
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states#georgia
There isn’t a letter for every state, some didn’t write a letter and just passed a law saying the union is dissolved or something like that.
Here also is the confederate constitution: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp
I will direct your attention to this line -
(4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.
For anyone parroting states rights nonsense. Literally banned the ability of a state to choose on whether or not to allow slavery
Sweet, thanks for that!
Not the same person but I googled “causes for secession” and clicked the first link.
Thanks, I wasn’t sure how to look them up. I’m largely unfamiliar with the topic and didn’t know what a “causes” meant in legalese so it flew over my head. 😅
Yeahnobutreallyitzaboutstatesrightsandmuhfreedomandtraditionz!
Tradition to do WHAT EXACTLY?? TO DO WHAT …???
Oh, you know… Stuff.
And things, like whips
adding that the Confederate flag was “not something that is racist.”
Imagine what might’ve happened if Haley was a university president and had parsed her words like that.
“The flag can’t be racist, it has black flag friends.” - Haley probably (note she’s used that excuse for herself already)
token black flags, that is
Henry Rollins enters chat…
First thing that came to mind was Handsome Henry, but I didn’t want to go off on a tangent.
*had
As a child. That’s what she said. She had black friends as a child. She’s 51. She turned 18 in 1981. She apparently hasn’t had black friends in 33 years. Not one black friend since 1981 at the very latest.
Notice how no one had a problem with the Confederate flag until 2015-16 thereabouts? It was just a symbol meaning “of the South” politicized and demonized unnecessarily…
That said Haley is a god damn moron and a sociopath who can only look otherwise when compared to a bigger monster.
Wait, what? I’m pretty sure a lot of people have had a problem with the Confederate flag since long before 2015. It’s always been “politicized”, its literally a political symbol. And it’s demonized because people don’t like traitors or slavery.
2015 is probably the year that the poster was allowed to go outside the “for kids” sections of the Internet.
Seriously? It was always a symbol for “racist piece of shit”, and most people did have a problem with it but just ignored it, like all the other racist piece of shit symbolism because the Voting Rights act passed and Segregation was defeated so racism ended…right?..right?
Source: not born in the south but lived there, and am old.
Yup. It’s like when you see someone wearing Orange Jesus regalia now - it’s always been a signifier to sane people to keep away from them as much as possible. They are surely racist AF, and on top of that, too stupid/crazy to not broadcast it to the world.
Maybe people in the south forgot, but the rest of the world definitely always knew that it’s a symbol for racist historically challenged losers.
Notice how no one had a problem with the Confederate flag until 2015-16 thereabouts?
Was 2016 the first time you became politically aware, or are you just speaking in bad faith?
Ding ding.
“A thing didn’t exist before I knew of it.”
Yeah no, as someone who was raised in a sane part of the United States, I knew what that flag meant before I even made it to highschool. And we all knew that the scumbags that still displayed the flag were racist pieces of shit.
Um, nearly everyone had a problem with the flag of the treasonous loser country.
All those black kids I went to school with back in the 80s were fine and dandy with it. /s
The ones I went to school with in the 2000’s were fine with it, heck many of them actually wore em on t-shirts. Because culturally speaking, it had more to do with BBQ around here than it did with racism.
I’m glad you grew up in such and enlightened place and time.
I will admit, we are a Blue County right outside a solidly red one…
Drive cross the bridge into the next one over and it’s like stepping into a time machine to the fucking 40’s.
She very publicly removed it from the state capitol
That’s just a lie. I was born in 1977 and I knew that flag was an insult to every black person in America since I learned about the Civil War in elementary school. No one had to teach me that either. It’s fucking obvious.
The “tradition” of the Confederacy lasted five years.
The Obama administration lasted eight years.
The Obama administration is more a part of their tradition and heritage than the Confederacy.
Also: Obama’s tenure only ended because of term limits. The “tradition and heritage” of the Confederacy ended in defeat at the hand of the United States.
I’ve been thinking about this recently. Reagan would have had a third term. Clinton would still get elected and likely have a third term as well because the recession that got Bush Sr. would have got Reagan. There’s a good chance we don’t defund counter terror in the FBI and we actually catch the 9/11 terrorists. So Clinton probably stays in office until the 2008 start of the housing crisis. At this point party fatigue usually sets in so Obama would likely lose to McCain. But that’s okay because he was probably the safest GOP choice in the last 50 years. Still GOP policies would have done him in by 2016, at which point Obama v Hillary plays out and we get Obama as our current president. Trump forever remains a footnote as he tried to run against McCain in 2016 and McCain obliterated Trump’s ego in the way only the military can.
Goddamn it I’m already fed up with our reality, I didn’t need to read about an amazing alternative history where Iraq never happened and I probably joined the military to get an education and technical training!
Instead we got Bush, and I could smell the fraudulent stink of Iraq even as a stupid 17 year old…
:P
Oh yeah. Me too. But FDR scared the oligarchs and we couldn’t have that.
she described the war as a matter of two sides fighting over “tradition” and “change,”
Yeah, the south was fighting to keep their tradition of owning slaves, and the north fought to change that tradition.
It amazes me how hard rightoids work to not acknowledge the plain as day fact from the documents detailing states’ secession documents and the constitution of the confederacy.
“Tradition” is one of the shittiest reasons I’ve ever heard of to maintain slavery.
You ain’t wrong, but at the same time, if we define “tradition” as “doing certain things certain ways because we’ve always done those things those ways, and we don’t want to change”, then I guess they’re not wrong either…but by the same rationale, that same social inertia is also the reason we have climate science deniers, racists, homophobes, misogynists, xenophobes, and bigots of all other shapes and sizes. Basically: they’re used to it being accepted to do things we now know to be problematic, and rather than change, they’d simply rather not change…for no better reason than not changing means continuing to do things the way they’ve always done them.
“Tradition” is by definition the opposite of “progress”
It can be, but plenty of traditions are harmless things people find value in.
There’s nothing a Republican politician hates more than the facts!
Edit: also taxes and minorities
And the government, unless it’s them, in which case you should swear absolute loyalty immediately.
Alternative facts are okay though
I have really great news for them on the minority front…
Oh you mean Nimarata Randhawa?
I had no idea her name was Nimrata neè Randhawa.
Aside from the fact that her party thinks she should be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen, they wouldn’t nominate her to come to a birthday party if they knew her real name.
I’m not a fan of deadnaming, but I’ll do it to bigot Republicans who would do it themselves to trans people.
She’s an absolute piece of shit.
Isn’t it weird how the right always like to deny what we all know, and that is that the Southern Strategy is a real thing, and/or pull out that old chestnut about Robert Byrd and how democraTs aRe thE Real Ku Klux KlaN, but if you pull down a few statues of racist traitors (or even threaten to), or remove the flag of the racist losers, they start getting all teary-eyed about “heritage” and “preserving history”?
Ahh yes our long lasting heritage of… (checks notes) 4 years… Yes. I too have fond memories of my highschool heritage. I’m I using that correctly?
The Confederate flag isn’t even a flag, it’s a war banner.
Actually, the cross-form of the confederate flag is a battle flag. (the actual confederate flag was too similar to the US star’s and stripes flag for identifying forces.)
So flying it is technically identifying yourself as an enemy of the US.
Battle flag, war banner, same difference.
Although I’m sure CGPGrey would chew me out just as much if not more than you have.
just making the point that, as a battle flag, flying it is literally identifying yourself as a member of armed services of an enemy of the US. That was always it’s purpose, and outside of reenactments… we should probably be inclined to treat them as such.
When the flag is carried into the capital building during election proceedings with the intent of of overturning an election, we should probably consider the hostilities actively renewed… (or, you know, just lock the fuckers up. that works.)
just as flying the Jack of the United States or the Ensign (which for the US is the US national flag,) identifies a ship as a ship of the US (USN, coast guard, Sealift command… NOAA).
Correction it’s a Southern Surrender Flag now
The flag of twice-failed insurrection
Correction it’s a Southern Surrender Flag now
Oh no, the surrender flag is way more delicious.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/premium/article/confederate-dish-towel-appomattox-surrender-flag
Behold, the final flag of the US Confederacy:
That’s paywalled This link is not: https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/nmah_515980
I’d just about forgotten my paywall bypassing browser extension but this is the second time recently I’ve accidentally posted paywalled content because it didn’t appear to be paywalled to me.
Thanks for the secondary link. Really the pic is enough though. 😁
No problem. I had never heard about it before so I appreciate you telling us about it.
Thank you for the non paywall link.
No it’s not. It’s toilet paper.
Technically, the same could be said for the American flag.
America lost wars but never surrendered their flags and banners in a total defeat
adding that the Confederate flag was “not something that is racist.”
You know that this idiot that ignores that she’s not white until it’s convenient, would fly a Nazi flag if they gave her enough money and power and claim the exact same thing for the Nazi flag.
That’s not why she’s mad. She’s mad because she’s a c***.
She should be ecstatic anyone is noticing her at all.
She’s actually second to Trump. Way behind, I know, but still second.
Good on Joe here, I hope other people keep roasting her racist ass.
Trump called her out about her waffling in using ‘slavery’.
