This is great and all, but it doesn’t mean too much if Biden doesn’t actually care to correct course. There have been plenty of protests already showing the current policy is increasingly opposed by significant sections of the population, yet they’re only making the most token efforts at any sort of real change in their stance towards Israel. If tens of thousands of people turning out for protests on the matter don’t get it through the heads of Biden and other Democrats that this stance is untenable, I don’t see why we should expect he’ll suddenly start listening for a few staffers sending a stern letter.
In all likelihood, they’ll hold the line on this, then when Democrats lose the next elections, they’ll blame it on racists, antisemites, more leftist candidates spoiling their chances, or literally anything but doing some reflection and realizing some of their long-held positions are now deeply unpopular with a significant portion of their voter base.
If they’re dropping, I’m afraid it likely means they’ve lost hope in facilitating a course correction.
Being out of the ring isn’t going to give them any more power than they had inside of it. But being out of the ring is still the better place to be, if staying with the team means furthering actions that you oppose.
Any chance Dems are 4d chess enough to be laying it on thick now, level Gaza quickly, create enough buffer to pull out a few months before Nov, count on the collective memory seeming to be a few weeks these days?
lol except we don’t have them anymore because they removed them for Biden had to be the only candidate able to run this election to prevent Trump from stopping elections and committing genocide. Ironic
I don’t belive the blue and red positions are very far apart on this particular issue. This is certainly an issue that justifies passionate response, but unless there is a candidate from the red that states that they would take a different approach more aligned with your values, I would look to other issues where the parties have made their differing positions more clear to decide which is more deserving of your vote.
Fight for change in your party in the primaries. Nobody fucking votes in the primaries. That’s where intra party change happens. If Democrats lose in the general what do you think happens? They’re gonna get more left wing? No, they’re going to move to the right because they’re going to think that’s what they need to do to win. They need to win in the general and you need to change the party in the primary.
How has moving more to the right been working for them? They need to realize already that they’re out of touch with much of their voter base. Maybe they don’t run more progressive candidates in purple states as a strategic call, but they could try something new in more liberal cities, at least, and start moving the conversation. I can’t be the only one where my primary options straight up suck. Oh, yeah, change things from within, where I have Corporate Democrats #1 and #2, running along with the Working Families Party candidate whose only concession is something weak like “Maybe we should increase EBT eligibility, but means test the hell out of it so it’s a full time job to manage your application.”
The current Democratic party basically claims to represent everyone to the left of Mussolini at this point, and that’s too big a group to be a functional political unit. Unfortunately, we’re basically screwed on a third party being viable, as it would depend on the two current parties taking action to change voting procedures in a way that could only hurt them. Democrats and Republicans are both content to sit on their hands right now, as they know that no matter how unpopular they may be, how badly they might lose elections, it’s only a matter of time before the other guys piss people off enough and the pendulum swings back to them.
This is great and all, but it doesn’t mean too much if Biden doesn’t actually care to correct course. There have been plenty of protests already showing the current policy is increasingly opposed by significant sections of the population, yet they’re only making the most token efforts at any sort of real change in their stance towards Israel. If tens of thousands of people turning out for protests on the matter don’t get it through the heads of Biden and other Democrats that this stance is untenable, I don’t see why we should expect he’ll suddenly start listening for a few staffers sending a stern letter.
In all likelihood, they’ll hold the line on this, then when Democrats lose the next elections, they’ll blame it on racists, antisemites, more leftist candidates spoiling their chances, or literally anything but doing some reflection and realizing some of their long-held positions are now deeply unpopular with a significant portion of their voter base.
If they’re dropping, I’m afraid it likely means they’ve lost hope in facilitating a course correction.
Being out of the ring isn’t going to give them any more power than they had inside of it. But being out of the ring is still the better place to be, if staying with the team means furthering actions that you oppose.
Any chance Dems are 4d chess enough to be laying it on thick now, level Gaza quickly, create enough buffer to pull out a few months before Nov, count on the collective memory seeming to be a few weeks these days?
Vote blue no matter who( even if they are actively aiding the suffering, killing, and destruction of innocent people, children and their homes)
Vote for Blue no matter who, and fight for change in your party in the primaries. That’s why we have them.
When we feel like it. And have argued in court that we don’t have to run them fairly.
lol except we don’t have them anymore because they removed them for Biden had to be the only candidate able to run this election to prevent Trump from stopping elections and committing genocide. Ironic
So vote red?
Vote red so they can do the same thing while making life worse for Americans as well
I don’t belive the blue and red positions are very far apart on this particular issue. This is certainly an issue that justifies passionate response, but unless there is a candidate from the red that states that they would take a different approach more aligned with your values, I would look to other issues where the parties have made their differing positions more clear to decide which is more deserving of your vote.
What Republicans have been against the Palestinian genocide?
I disagree with them even more
So don’t criticize support for genocide?
I never said to not criticize.
When all criticism is conflated with voting Republican, it’s the same damned thing.
Fight for change in your party in the primaries. Nobody fucking votes in the primaries. That’s where intra party change happens. If Democrats lose in the general what do you think happens? They’re gonna get more left wing? No, they’re going to move to the right because they’re going to think that’s what they need to do to win. They need to win in the general and you need to change the party in the primary.
Yeah, I’ve seen what the party does to progressives in primaries. This is just gloating.
How has moving more to the right been working for them? They need to realize already that they’re out of touch with much of their voter base. Maybe they don’t run more progressive candidates in purple states as a strategic call, but they could try something new in more liberal cities, at least, and start moving the conversation. I can’t be the only one where my primary options straight up suck. Oh, yeah, change things from within, where I have Corporate Democrats #1 and #2, running along with the Working Families Party candidate whose only concession is something weak like “Maybe we should increase EBT eligibility, but means test the hell out of it so it’s a full time job to manage your application.”
The current Democratic party basically claims to represent everyone to the left of Mussolini at this point, and that’s too big a group to be a functional political unit. Unfortunately, we’re basically screwed on a third party being viable, as it would depend on the two current parties taking action to change voting procedures in a way that could only hurt them. Democrats and Republicans are both content to sit on their hands right now, as they know that no matter how unpopular they may be, how badly they might lose elections, it’s only a matter of time before the other guys piss people off enough and the pendulum swings back to them.