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Obama v Hillary was legit competitive, but it wasn’t a real Bernie 2016/20 contest versus the base voters, it was a contest against Chuck Schumer pulling a Littlefinger from the inside to make Obama viable in a Game of Thrones situation. The DNC will NEVER allow a legit primary within their ranks, and if you win via their arrogance and incompetence, they’ll take you out next cycle if you don’t Borg into them ala AOC
I’m totally not a huge Biden fan, but I wouldn’t say his chances don’t look good… He’s still a better option from a centrist/objective perspective than trump is… Biden can rationally be expected to do what he’s done his entire term, not a whole lot. Trump on the other hand, will do a whole lot, and it’ll be a mixed bag predominately identifiable as chaos, also because that’s what his track record shows.
The reasoning behind the decision voters made in 2020 has not really changed much in either case… It’s the same decision process. The only real question is what demographics show up at the polls. If it’s the same demographics it’s likely to be the same outcome.
The point of the story isn’t that Biden is the only sane choice. The point is that if the election were held today, we would probably be looking at a Donald Trump presidency. This is not being treated as a major problem, which means is just perceived as politics as usual by most Americans. I’m not
The US and the world will not be the same.
I would only disagree that Biden hasn’t accomplished much. He’s had some key wins and his handling of the economy - well how much actual control a president has is debatable, but he at least didn’t fuck up the inflation soft landing. One of his wins pissed the right off so much they fucked up the whole House in a tantrum. We could do a lot worse than Biden, though it’d be great to do better.
Lol… The Biden administration has done well, I was being very specific to Biden himself… He’s not in any way engaged whatsoever.
As far as doing worse, trumps “micromanage via Twitter” philosophy was definitely worse… Not even talking policy or anything, just the leadership style. I’ll take a guy phoning shit in over a micromanager any day of the week. Phoning it in isn’t great, but micromanagers are hell…
Plenty of plan B’s. I’d take Gavin Newsom over Biden. Shit, I’d take Jerry Brown over Biden.
“You think 81 is too old to run for President? Fuck you, here’s an 86 year old!”
Their plan B is the same as their plan A, to lose. And instead of liberals demanding their party offer another solution they demand everyone else support the DNC hand picked genocidal pedo. And instead of facing that reality they downvote the truth like this post and keep their heads in the sand. When he loses, and he will, they will blame everyone and everything but their own hubris
Maybe the downvotes are because what you say is stupid and wrong? Like, have you ever considered you’re wrong? Or are you so certain that you’re right and everyone is out to get you?
Don’t you love how the GOP never hates on their base as a bunch of illiterate trailer park hicks who would die from drowning looking up at the rain without state support (even though that’s accurate) but the DNC post-Carter CANNOT do enough punching left against their own activist base who give time and money and votes to them for literally nothing in return? And they will blame their voters for their own not trying to win after not allowing a primary. My position post-2020 Obama making the non-Biden neolibs drop out to cheat is I will NEVER again vote for a party that tries to defeat my part of the coalition in the primary with more force than they use against the ACTUAL alleged enemy in the general. And I used to poll stand and phone bank and shit from 1992 to 2018. Good luck getting your new Liz Cheney base out to do that assholes, I hope Trump sends you all to Gitmo after you let him win.
the GOP never hates on their base
What are you talking about, the GOP has driven out everyone who won’t support Trump, some of them got literal death threats after years of loyal support. Even his primary opponents are afraid to criticize him.
Democrats don’t “hate their base”, you’re just whining because they didn’t nominate your favorite candidate.
The GOP base is a bunch of bible thumping illiterates in the cornfield who have taken Trump as their new god, not Liz Cheney.
In the process they intentionally drove out anyone in their base who would not support Trump, including people who like Liz Cheney.
And they’re about to win a second Trump term, so what is the downside for them? I’d rather not be on Liz Cheney’s side and I’d rather win elections and they’re winning on both fronts there.
Glad we agree that Republicans do in fact hate on their base.
Democrats won the popular vote in 7 out of 8 of the last presidential elections, despite constant doom and gloom over polls from PUMAs and their equivalents.
Biden himself was predicted to lose his 2020 primary and suffer a 2022 Red Wave. So I’m not particularly worried about 2024.
If sticking your head in the sand is a winning 2024 strategy, you have nothing to worry about. I think you neolibs underestimate how much you relied on us pre-2020 to poll stand and door knock and phone bank for GOTV. Without everyone getting a mail in home ballot, I’m highly skeptical it will work out your way, but this cycle will be an interesting test, maybe you and Liz Cheney literally don’t need us and you’ll be happier together. We’ll see in November.
