Glad we agree that Republicans do in fact hate on their base.
Democrats won the popular vote in 7 out of 8 of the last presidential elections, despite constant doom and gloom over polls from PUMAs and their equivalents.
Biden himself was predicted to lose his 2020 primary and suffer a 2022 Red Wave. So I’m not particularly worried about 2024.
If sticking your head in the sand is a winning 2024 strategy, you have nothing to worry about. I think you neolibs underestimate how much you relied on us pre-2020 to poll stand and door knock and phone bank for GOTV. Without everyone getting a mail in home ballot, I’m highly skeptical it will work out your way, but this cycle will be an interesting test, maybe you and Liz Cheney literally don’t need us and you’ll be happier together. We’ll see in November.
Yet Democrats won in 2020 and 2022 despite you and the other Bernie bros having peaced out.
I think leftists overestimate how much Democrats rely on them. Leftists are too prone to take their ball and go home when they don’t get everything they want. This is why they don’t form successful long-term coalitions.
I lived though 2020 and 2022, when you said you didn’t vote for Democrats. So I think they’ve already seen the worst of it. Are you going to double not vote for them this year?
It’s GOTV, not raw votes where the party base matters. The GOP gets this.
In 2020 because of COVID they mailed everyone ballots and the GOP couldn’t campaign normally and Trump literally told his own voters not to vote on the premise it would make his coup go better (leading to 60k fewer republicans voting in the general in Georgia alone).
I hate to break this to you, but you lost the house in 2022. Including 5 NY seats the DCCC could have EASILY kept were they not incompetent and corrupt, with the head of the DCCC scrambling the whole map to try to run in a “safer” district than his own (and he lost to the republican anyway). Also, 2022 was an off year, and the advantage of becoming the Liz Cheney party is that you do have the hyper-moralizing yet not specifically religious suburban college-only yupies who were Reagan’s base and ALWAYS vote, so you flipped what was historically a GOP off-cycle advantage. In doing that, however, you alienated a far larger block of no college working class voters that used to provide the DNC their vote advantage in presidential years. You’re not going to get a low turnout bump one cycle and a high turnout bump the next with the same voter demographics in 2 years.
First of all, mail in ballots aren’t going away in 2024. In fact, many states expanded their vote-by-mail programs after 2020.
Second, Trump isn’t going to be able to campaign normally in 2024 either, due to the criminal trials he will be forced to attend.
Finally, there have been multiple special elections since 2020 and Democrats have consistently outperformed their pre-election polls. That’s good news for Democrats, regardless of how you try to spin it.
Special elections are a similar low turnout election to midterms, which gives the DNC the Liz Cheney Reagan voter bump post-Trump.
And Mike Johnson is house speaker no matter how you want to spin it. There’s a LOT of lefties like me who could have gotten to any of those 5 NYC suburbs for GOTY or donated or done basic oppo research on George Santos and changed that outcome in NY alone. But we didn’t. It’s possible you’re right and a presidential candidate with no constituency can win an election for a party with no base against a candidate with millions of slavish devotees and a party with a amped up base because they just won a 50-year victory for them, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.
No constituency? But I just heard that neo-liberals and suburbanites are the new Democratic constituency. And apparently that’s enough to win elections. Even against an amped up GOP base, one that is so amped up that they have already failed to stop Democrats because low turnout.
I’m sure there is a story that makes sense in there, in which leftists are surely the main characters.
Glad we agree that Republicans do in fact hate on their base.
Democrats won the popular vote in 7 out of 8 of the last presidential elections, despite constant doom and gloom over polls from PUMAs and their equivalents.
Biden himself was predicted to lose his 2020 primary and suffer a 2022 Red Wave. So I’m not particularly worried about 2024.
If sticking your head in the sand is a winning 2024 strategy, you have nothing to worry about. I think you neolibs underestimate how much you relied on us pre-2020 to poll stand and door knock and phone bank for GOTV. Without everyone getting a mail in home ballot, I’m highly skeptical it will work out your way, but this cycle will be an interesting test, maybe you and Liz Cheney literally don’t need us and you’ll be happier together. We’ll see in November.
Yet Democrats won in 2020 and 2022 despite you and the other Bernie bros having peaced out.
I think leftists overestimate how much Democrats rely on them. Leftists are too prone to take their ball and go home when they don’t get everything they want. This is why they don’t form successful long-term coalitions.
You’ve never lived to see us take our ball and go home like '68, but you will this year, so we’ll have a concrete test case.
I lived though 2020 and 2022, when you said you didn’t vote for Democrats. So I think they’ve already seen the worst of it. Are you going to double not vote for them this year?
It’s GOTV, not raw votes where the party base matters. The GOP gets this.
In 2020 because of COVID they mailed everyone ballots and the GOP couldn’t campaign normally and Trump literally told his own voters not to vote on the premise it would make his coup go better (leading to 60k fewer republicans voting in the general in Georgia alone). I hate to break this to you, but you lost the house in 2022. Including 5 NY seats the DCCC could have EASILY kept were they not incompetent and corrupt, with the head of the DCCC scrambling the whole map to try to run in a “safer” district than his own (and he lost to the republican anyway). Also, 2022 was an off year, and the advantage of becoming the Liz Cheney party is that you do have the hyper-moralizing yet not specifically religious suburban college-only yupies who were Reagan’s base and ALWAYS vote, so you flipped what was historically a GOP off-cycle advantage. In doing that, however, you alienated a far larger block of no college working class voters that used to provide the DNC their vote advantage in presidential years. You’re not going to get a low turnout bump one cycle and a high turnout bump the next with the same voter demographics in 2 years.
First of all, mail in ballots aren’t going away in 2024. In fact, many states expanded their vote-by-mail programs after 2020.
Second, Trump isn’t going to be able to campaign normally in 2024 either, due to the criminal trials he will be forced to attend.
Finally, there have been multiple special elections since 2020 and Democrats have consistently outperformed their pre-election polls. That’s good news for Democrats, regardless of how you try to spin it.
Special elections are a similar low turnout election to midterms, which gives the DNC the Liz Cheney Reagan voter bump post-Trump.
And Mike Johnson is house speaker no matter how you want to spin it. There’s a LOT of lefties like me who could have gotten to any of those 5 NYC suburbs for GOTY or donated or done basic oppo research on George Santos and changed that outcome in NY alone. But we didn’t. It’s possible you’re right and a presidential candidate with no constituency can win an election for a party with no base against a candidate with millions of slavish devotees and a party with a amped up base because they just won a 50-year victory for them, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.
No constituency? But I just heard that neo-liberals and suburbanites are the new Democratic constituency. And apparently that’s enough to win elections. Even against an amped up GOP base, one that is so amped up that they have already failed to stop Democrats because low turnout.
I’m sure there is a story that makes sense in there, in which leftists are surely the main characters.