Getting permaban for saying fuck China…
I got banned from lemmy.ml for saying that Ukraine wasn’t nazi. All of the moderators on worldnews@lemmy.ml are tankies.
Yeah i know lemmy.ml is a shitshow but this is here.
Ukraine is a country.
If you said “Ukraine is Nazi”, that would be a gigantic, serious accusation, and also not very specific.
Do you mean their citizenry predominantly follows the Naziism (or Hitlerism if you prefer)? Or do you mean that their government follow this system, presumably at the behest of their voter base?
Neither are remotely true of course, and it’s deeply offensive to us Europeans to be compared to Nazi scum, especially for the Ukrainians who are currently being genocided by neo-nazis, so I can understand why, depending on how you phrased your offensive remark, you might end up being removed from a community.
Lying in a way that is intensely and deeply offensive is a good way to get banned, unfortunately.
I think you misread, I was saying that Ukrainians weren’t nazis.
The comment argument went like this:
I said the cold war was over, and a commenter said to me:
NATO is still collaborating with Nazis to this day. You can’t see a single picture from Ukraine that doesn’t have a Nazi patch and Canada recently gave a standing ovation for a “Ukrainian war hero” who, uh oh, was a general for the waffen SS. I mean, what do you expect from an institution literally started by a Nazi? The fact that people still choose not to see it leads me to the most regrettable of conclusions.
I replied:
This is Russian propaganda. You are helping authoritarians and literal nazis by claiming that Ukrainian independence is linked to Nazism. The West may be ignorant about Ukrainian history, but Ukraine is an egalitarian democracy. Despite what Putin and his allies tell you, Ukraine is not “full of nazis”
And my comment was deleted and I was banned for 3 days from worldnews@lemmy.ml
I’m Swedish for what it’s worth, and yeah it’s fucking stupid that these tankies think that Russian neo-nazi batallions have been fighting in Ukraine to “denazify it”. It’s just stupid fucking Russian nationalism and dictator bootlicking.
That’s fucked, I didn’t know this when I registered there.
You can always sign up to a different instance and use the same username. The power of decentralization
Yeah. I think it’s mostly the worldnews mods who are abusing their power, the admins are communists but they don’t seem to ban people for not being communists.
But I’m a bit torn because the admins of lemmy.ml are also the main developers of Lemmy. I donate $20/month to them to help fund the development of Lemmy, but I’m not gonna donate to someone who abuses mod/admin powers to support Putin.
Re-read their comment again chief.
Way to attack someone who was taking your side. Well done, 10/10.
Unrlated, but how do you have downvotes shown on your comment? I thought this instance here didn’t show them.
Pictured: the inability for one to discern a criticism of the current Chinese government rather than the inhabitants of a country who are also victims of the government
Exactly, when one says fuck china it means the government not the average person that lives in China and has nothing to do with politics.
doesn’t really sound that way tbh, it’d be shorter to say fuck CCP
Eh. It means the same for sane people.
It actually doesn’t. China is a very diverse and beautiful country. CCP is an ugly government.
I don’t think the same logic plays out when people yell “fuck america”, Americans absolutely take it to mean the people
Because they are idiots, most that say that also mean the politics. (or are idiots)
How do you think the Chinese people would perceive “fuck China” with no other qualifiers?
I mean as a german I would read “fuck germany” and if the context is international politics I’d assume they mean the government.
But from what I know it’s also true that both the US and China have some pretty strong propaganda going to make people think that criticism of their country = criticism of them personally, so specifying never hurts to avoid antagonizing people. Still doesn’t seem like something to instantly ban someone over, but context kind of matters, if it’s out of the blue needlessly inflammatory it’s kinda worse than say a top level comment on a post about china doing something bad.
Good point on the propaganda. I’m old enough to remember post 9-11… when people criticized the government response they were often told “love it or leave it”.
Same, here in Australia. Americans seem to be more upset over criticism of their country/government by outsiders than most of the world.
They aren’t allowed to read that anyway… So i don’t think they can think about it.
Besides that the few Chines people i know hate their government and live as refugees in Taiwan with Fuck China in their discord bio… (or Fuck/China as gender) so yeah… I doubt they will be sad about it.
TIL the Chinese people never hear “fuck China” and are unable to think about it.
They don’t have actual internet access… Grate firewall and stuff… And its written so they can’t hear it unless they use a screen reader lol.
Anyway, you are literally cherry picking right now. Most Chinese people wouldn’t give a single shit just like how most US citizens don’t give a single shit about people saying Fuck USA/Fuck America or Germany being called Naziland by literal politicians (Erdogan, Putin, Orban, Polands Piss party as a whole to name some…) most people have better things to do than to get upset by someone saying something like that on the internet…
“Fuck China” is different than “fuck the Chinese gov’t” which is what you should be saying.
Bro it means the Same.
Fuck you then because your government most likely os doing some shady shit.
People say “fuck the US” all the time and we all know what they mean
We often use general terms for systems that cause damage. Men have a rape problem doesn’t mean that every man is a rapist. It points to the way many of those who don’t rape have varying complicity in the situation, ranging from minor to heavy. Honestly same with ACAB, capitalism, and many other things. We should use it to view our complicity in systems and try to reduce it, not get angry and throw back black a white statements that try to rile up the person who offended you. -posted from my cell phone that has parts made by slave labor and exploitation of other countries, while having multiple Amazon delivery boxes in my room.
How is that related?
Are you personally offended if someone critisizes or even says “fuck you” to your country…?
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bro you commented it under a phone announcement
Usually the meaning is the same
Be sure to specify which China.
“Xeniphobe” lol
xylophone 💀
Xaxaphone
Zazaphone
Worst of them all.
I thought the term was Sinophobe
If you mean someone who hates China, then yes.
If you mean someone who hates foreign peoples, the word is Xenophobe. Person above was poking fun at the typo
Oh I never thought it could be a typo, I thought it was a neologism (with X as ch)
Like “Xi-nophobe”?
No, more like because of some etymological stuff I wouldnt have known about, and since the chinese “xi” sound is close to chi I thought it would be related to china. Ultimately it comes down to ignorance
Ah. Well, I was just making a Xi Jinping pun lol
Nice one
Fuck China, Taiwan Number One
Based.
You misspelled western taiwan
Winnie the Pooh never looked so chad
Interesting argument, however
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For anyone curious, here’s the link to the modlog for this user
Translation of the one in German:
I hope that none of the weak mates have children, that would be a shame.
Was about some Nazis being assholes to set it in context.
You can’t just throw that into a machine translator and call that a translation. Well, I mean, you can… but that makes it seem like what you wrote there is correct, if you don’t add the required context that you don’t actually know the language you just translated there.
“Schwachmat” basically just means “idiot” and “weak mate” is not even remotely close to what was being said there.
“weak mates”? That’s not a translation, that doesn’t mean anything. I’d say „Schwachmat“ means something like “source of weak takes”
Thanks didn’t know i can link the modlog directly.
Fuck both China and that admin.
It’s weird how far it spreads man, back when I was still on Reddit I was banned from r/LateStageCapitalism for taking the audacious position that a nation that actively suppresses information, operates internment camps, and engages in totalitarian and dystopic surveillance of its populace is not an ideal model of government.
Was a admin lol… I think its a misunderstanding but yeah fuck China
Yea thats… I hope that can be appealed at some point
Lets count this post as appeal request and request to not be banned for such BS for longer than a day… Like, you don’t even notice being banned on other instances if you don’t go and look it up…
That’s what you get for being anti-dishware
xenial — of, relating to, or constituting hospitality or relations between host and guest
xeniphobia — fear of hospitality
Lol
Lemmygrad?
No here.
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