• Mafflez@reddthat.com
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    11 months ago

    You are surrounded be idiots. The average person is very stupid. Complacency is why we got Trump the first time. People sitting in their asses saying he won’t win and then not bothering to vote or just tossing it away for the third party as a petty protest.

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      11 months ago

      Don’t blame people voting third party for the inability of the Democrats to be able to draw in voters. If they just did environmentally friendly policies and called out human rights abuses they could essentially sweep the Green voters back into their fold.

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        11 months ago

        I can blame both and do. No it wasn’t a good choice, but one was inherently bad and should never have been able to run. I didn’t like Hillary, but I didn’t like Trump way before that. Voting 3rd party is legit a waste until the way we vote changes or we somehow get one 3rd party candidate that isn’t crap and has actual power to swing and knock out the two others. Which won’t happen. And continues to not happen.

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          11 months ago

          Yeah, we should just not vote third party until EVERYONE is on board. It might totally happen if we keep doing that.

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        Voters are responsible for who they vote for. Democrats didn’t make anyone stay home, vote third party, or vote for Trump. It’s not Democrats’ fault so many people can’t tell the difference between an uninspiring candidate and a guy following Hitler’s playbook for becoming a dictator.

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          11 months ago

          So one party can just be casually corrupt and evil because the other party is overt about it?

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            11 months ago

            This is just wholly stupid. The Democrats aren’t casually corrupt and evil, any more than the Greens or Communists or any other political party is. And we’re not telling you you have to vote for the Evil Party ™. You know what we’re telling you? We’re telling you that the current voting system punishes you for voting third party.

            Let’s take a district that has 51 Lefty voters and 49 Righty voters. The Right Party doesn’t have to convince 2 people to vote for the Major Right party to flip the seat from the Left to the Right. If they can convince 3 Lefty voters to vote for the minor Left party “because the major Left party isn’t Left enough,” they can win despite more people voting against them than for them. And many districts in the US (and indeed elsewhere in the world) are on such a knife-edge. If you want your particular ‘pure’ and ‘just’ Left party to have a shot, you got to change the election rules so that me voting for your guy doesn’t get the Cheeto Fascist on the other side elected. Unless and until you lot get that through your thick skulls, we’re going to keep reminding you that voting Third Party in First Past the Post is just voting for the guy most opposed to your positions to get in instead and either you’re too stupid to recognise that fact, or you’re actually secretly a Republican in disguise trying to divide our vote so you can steal the election and erase Democracy.

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              11 months ago

              And until you get it through your thick skull that you can’t just sit back and use whataboutism, you’ll just keep losing. You don’t win free points for being somewhat less fascist.

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      11 months ago

      And then Democrats get so overconfident that they think they can help carry out a genocide and still win the next election.

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        Trump wouldn’t do any better though nor would a republican. It’s a situation WE shouldn’t be in.that simple.

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            We can both reelect Biden and still call to hold him to account for Israel. I don’t think that’s entirely unfair, especially when Trump has directly stated he wants to basically turn the government into a bludgeon against people he doesn’t like, starting with immigrants and probably working his way down.