At first, I was mad. Then the slow, sad realization that you’re more right than not…

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In Canada, they have an idea called “right to peace”. It means that you can’t stand outside of an abortion clinic and scream at people because your right to free speech doesn’t exceed that person’s right to peace.

I don’t know if that’s 100% how it works so someone can sort me out, but I kind of liked that idea

I think from context we can assume in favor of. I don’t think anyone is accusing Reddit of masterminding the Gaza conflict. I haven’t been to /r/conspiracy in a while through.

I genuinely tried to entertain this in the interest of being open minded. I hear your point, but it’s just not connecting in light of the fact that Trump has been a Russian asset for nearly forty years and actively engaged in insurrection against the United States. His handling of Covid murdered (yes) three million Americans that were preventable deaths in order to drive a partisan issue to further polarize Americans.

If things were less egregious, I might agree with you, but these things are not equivalent. It’s just horse shit.

Follow up on the rail workers thing. I had to eat a bit of crow on that one myself.

… And Tulsa, OK, Iraq, Afghanistan, standing Rock SD, Vietnam, Korea… Palestine…

It kind of just goes on, doesn’t it?

You’re really not getting it, are you? With the assault in Ukraine, the US MIL got the opportunity to clear out some old stock and potentially divert world war 3 into a stalemate. It was great for a bit. The gaza conflict gives the US a greater opportunity to really play to its strengths and pursue a thread of great historic national interest… Bombing brown people.

There’s potentially oil there that needs freedom, and nobody exports more freedom for oil than the US

/S …I think? I’m having a bit of an Idiocracy moment right now.

Justice delayed is Justice denied.

This had always been true.

“CNNs Dana Bash puts microphone in front known liar and is surprised when he lies”

Fucking media. Stop giving attention to these clowns.

Treason.

It’s a good thing she told all of the right people that this happened so that we could avoid an obvious coup and threat to the constitution that she swore an oath to protect…

Amirite, guys?!?

Why did the room get so quiet?

Again, I think you’re not understanding how drastic this has been. These are people that have been brainwashed and radicalized. They have become addicted to outrage and pushed into an echo chamber, furthering their descent. It is insidious what happened to these people.

I think I understand the point you’re trying to make, but I don’t think I can bite. “if they fell for it, they must’ve been awful people who didn’t love you enough” feels very “No true Scotsman” and I can’t shake the logical fallacy of it.

No. Trump did not create these people. Thirty years of propaganda did. Fox news playing on televisions in police stations, military bases, and hospital waiting rooms did. Trump was the culmination of a dark and fucked up anti American plot by Republicans, but not really the cause of it.

Still though, I think you may not understand the real gravity of what’s occurring. Reasonable people are being corrupted into hate by decades of propaganda. Assholitry is being weaponized into extremism, and all of these people are true believers. This is eroding something at the very basic core of our society, and the election of Trump signaled the start of a full scale war on democracy. Dismissing the efficacy and severity of this is cavalier.

It’s been a far right echo chamber for about ten years now, so I don’t know that this holds up.

It sounds like you’re diminishing or don’t understand the level of polarity that this has created. My family are now Nazis. Not like a little bit. Not like an exaggeration. Like… “Restore power to the master race and eradicate everyone else”

These are not the people I grew up with. How do I break bread with these people? How do I share a table with enemies of democracy and the Constitution? How many screaming matches and fist fights (yes) do I get into calling them on their bullshit before I’m supposed to give up? How do I avoid taking about politics when they turn literally everything into a challenge or litmus test?

This is anecdotal, so take this all with a grain of salt, but there aren’t many people that I’ve talked to that don’t have a similar story. I just don’t think you’re giving enough credence to the damage that trump and the fascists are doing to the fabric of America.

There’s a two part epoxy for everything.

A second Second amendment, if you will. They won’t even tack it on to the end, just use 2 twice.