We both “have issues” its why we are on the adhd community. But “Obsession with authority”? Hardly.

It’s a healthy respect for a profession that takes a lot of hard work and talent to get into.

All you’ve done is complain they are “stupid”, they only reject treatment due to bigotry, that an average Joe can somehow compete with 8 years of dedicated study. That universities are “degree factories” All without proof as if it is self-evident.

This isn’t healthy scepticism, it’s borderline conspiracy theory territory rooted in mistrust for the establishment. You are trying to shoot down my arguments by stating the whole system is corrupt and cannot be trusted. To me this blind mistrust mirrors the anti-vax sentiment. if you don’t want to be compared then don’t go implying that the whole medicine industry is out to get you.

There are idiots in every profession. What’s your point? That doctors would need to be idiots too? Maybe, but the difference between other professions would be overwhelmingly on the smart side of things. Also; Doctors could be idiots but that doesn’t mean they aren’t specialised in their fields. I heard it is not uncommon for a doctor to have difficulties with taxes or cooking, but that doesn’t necessarily translate to bad medical practice, because if it did, they couldn’t be doctors as they would be kicked out. Bad doctors happen, sometimes human errors/mistakes happen, but not at the rate that you can disregard any medical advice from them.

You would need a better “proof” than that if you are going to prove that most doctors opinions are not to be respected.

Basics are not enough to do advanced work. Practicing medicine is probably one off the most advanced work you can do.

Regardless if the number of doctors is artificially lowered or not; It’s still competitive. Meaning higher quality candidates are a survival pressure. So unless you got some more conspiracy theories for how a “moron” is picked over a good doctor, then there is no arguing that the majority is qualified for the position.

A lay person is not trained to research. Not taught on critical thinking skills, not trained on symptoms to look out for, heck some people don’t know how to use a computer. They shouldn’t be given the chance to hurt themselves through silly self-medication advice and shame on you for encouraging it.

Hell it is even recommended that doctors do not self-diagnose, and they certainly are not allowed to prescribe themselves class-B drugs whenever they want. No way a layman should.

If a medical professional doesn’t trust his own bias to cloud his judgment, you shouldn’t either.

“He who represents himself has a fool for a client.” this same principle applies to medicine as well.

I hope you stop self medication, and seek proper medical advice. However we both know your stubbornness won’t let you. Even if a registered doctor came in this forum to convince you it is dangerous you would ignore him. regardless of what qualifications the person convincing you has you would stick to your opinion.

This is particularly frustrating to me as from my point of view you could hurting yourself slowly, both mentally and physically, and I worry this is affecting your life in ways you can’t objectively see.

I can’t stop you from doing this to yourself, but I can ask you to stop giving this advice out to avoid other people hurting themselves.

Most people in this profession couldn’t give a better assessment than an unplugged sega genesis.

Oh? Care to back that up with evidence?

And if a medical professional would give poor assessments what makes you think Billy-Bob with a 9 year old smart phone can assess him self better? If Billy-Bob does it wrong he could hurt himself or make his mental health worse.

Yeah, but not the way you meant it. It’s usually better to research yourself.

What? There is nothing wrong with with researching symptoms yourself, but to think you are more correct than a trained medical professional is insanely egotistical.

When it matches I’m actually surprised they got it right. Never been wrong yet.

“they got it right”? Ah, I see your issue. You are going to the doctor to confirm your biases and get treatment for it, not to get their professional opinion.

If they don’t agree; "can’t believe they got it wrong. They’re useless. " If they do; "hey they got it right for once. "

You are one of the people that I feel aren’t fit to self-diagnose. Your symptoms could have been autism, bi-polar, or various other conditions. Could have even been a combination. Convincing yourself it was 100% adhd is reckless and should be tempered by an outside opinion.

I’m not sure where this lack of respect comes from. if you are in the UK like me it probably stems from the lack of funding for the NHS leading to “revolving door” Quick assessments as they aren’t able to spend the proper time going through everything. I have my own gripes with the NHS but I trust that the qualifications they have makes them more specialised in dealing with my health than I or the average person.

Patient-facing doctors and those who do research are two circles that do not overlap. The patient-facing people only do research to see if tpsychosisdeny you treatment based on race/sex/(insert immutable trait here) or how they can otherwise jerk you off until you die or leave to save on the budget.

“Deny treatment”, huh? Sounds like someone self-diagnosed and demanded medication and the only professional in the room wasn’t having any of that shit. How are they supposed to trust what you say your symptoms are when you are clearly biased towards what you think you have, you’d look like an addict trying to get a fix.

I doubt bigotry is involved, but if it was then you could easily get a solicitor involved and he could help prove that you weren’t reviewed fairly, by having a second doctor examine you and comparing that to the original.

Regarding research, doctor regularly attend medical conferences and research treatment options throughout thier career as medical sciences advance. You don’t stay a doctor otherwise.

Yeah he’ll say “have you tried not being sad. Also maybe stop being transgender/black/woman.”

If by “have you tried not being sad” you mean they suggested the usual rounds of meditation, exercise, diet, etc then that is perfectly normal to do and shows proven mental health benefits.

Maybe they offered anti-depressants/anti-anxiety to help cope? My GP did (as I had a report from work that suggested that I’m showing signs of depression) but I said I would rather a mental health specialist assess the symptoms as they can overlap with adhd and I want a fair assessment for when they do.

I seriously doubt they mentioned race/etc.

That is if they respond at all, usually it’s just silence, or being told to fuck off and wait.

This part I can sympathise with. I waited 4 years for adhd to get treatment and I needed to chase them for updates every step. It’s frustrating, sometimes I feel like they are throwing pills at me and throwing me out the door hoping this time it will improve. (though in a way that’s really the only way it is done right) I wish their was more monitoring/reviewing of treatments, but I am perfectly fine with their knowledge on the subject.

I attribute this to a lack of funding and a huge waiting lists rather than simple negligence. There simply isn’t enough budget/enough doctors/enough time to give everyone the time they need.

That said; as frustrating as it is, that is no excuse to recklessly/stupidly to self-diagnose and self-medicate. Doing so invites health risk that I’m not comfortable with people taking.

My life won’t pause itself. I’ll never get those years of waiting back if I wait. Or I can just do what I know is right and what I know helps and bypass this circus of drug gatekeeping.

Waiting sucks I know. If that is unbearable then seek private treatment. If that is not an option then wait like everybody else. Until funding improves that’s what we are stuck with. This “circus of drug gatekeeping” is there for a good reason, and it is because a layman is not a good judge.

And if a layman can’t do it, a doctor is even less likely to.

Wait, are you seriously claiming a doctor has less knowledge than a layman? Really? 8 years of studying to somehow know less than the average person?

Going to assume you are being hyperbolic rather than actually believing this. It’s one thing to be frustrated with the current system; it’s borders on conspiracy theories thinking they are all incompetent for no good reason.

Nah. Just Google what amfexa doses are there, pick lowest, eyeball napkin math it out…

This is insane. No one should be doing this, least of all people with mental health issues. There are MANY steps that allow human error to mess things up. Messing up the measurements via simple misreading of a decimal is a simple one that could get someone hurt, and maybe even killed. The LD50 is only 96.8 mg/kg from what I found. If you don’t know what LD50 is without Googling what it is, then stop immediately. You are not anywhere near informed enough to be doing this.

Phycosis is a also common side effect of its misuse. And I’m not convinced anyone doing this would have sound judgement.

Letting someone decide their own dosage for an addictive drug is also a recipe for disaster.

There is no sane professional that would consider this bootleg treatment safe enough to match commercial treatment.

If you aren’t stopping immediately, then at minimum don’t spout these dangerous ideas that could get someone else killed.

Plenty of people in every profession are idiots, doctors included. They are no more special than mechanics or programmers

Firstly:Those two professions are also skilled and a lay man should not pick up. A bad mechanic causes car crashes, a bad programmer causes security issues. Maybe for minor things like weird car noises, or maybe installing a mod for a game would be fine, but comparing medication to weird car noise is not comparable.

Secondly: it takes 8 years to become a fully fledged doctor and one of the the most competitive jobs to go for, and for good reason, as it is people’s lives that are at stake. They maybe idiots in other areas, like can’t cook or bad at spelling, but they are medical professionals and it is their job to ensure your safety.

If you are going to be constantly state they are just as incompetent as the next guy you are going to need evidence. For that to be the case.

The ‘strict vetting process’ is only a method of keeping the supply of doctors low. Literally, that isn’t conspiracy. Edit: although that is a u.s. issue specifically.

I agree that this isn’t acceptable, but I’m struggling to understand how this supports your argument? you think the doctors they pick for that “low” numbered group is just as incompetent as the people they didn’t pick? They are picking the best/more professional doctors from the lot and the rest don’t make it or try again another time.

This in no way sounds like anti-vax rhetoric? Doing actual research and doing something that doesn’t affect others is literally the exact opposite of what those people stand for.

Anti-vax see themselves as doing “Actual research” and that doctors are “idiots that don’t know what they are talking about” (or corrupt). That all they have is a “fancy bit of paper”

They don’t understand how dangerous ignoring medical advice can be because they don’t know enough about the science behind it and think their research online is sufficient to keep them informed.

The human body is just another machine. You can learn it as easily as you can learn how to fix whatever horrible sound you engine is making.

Then why does it take 8 years minimum to study for it? Even if it was “horrible engine noise” kind of fix unless this would be 100% accurate of the time, it can potentially break the “car”.

If it is so easy to get into the profession then go become a doctor and save lives. Should be easy to beat those “idiots” you seem to be implying are rampant. After you’re a doctor I will put a bit more weight into your opinions. Especially the one were some doctors can be idiots.

The only advantage a doctor has over a layman is more direct access to resources (both knowledge, as in easy access to research, and tools, such as blood tests),

Wow, almost made it sound if those things were easy and not important at all.

but that doesn’t exclude a random from using those resources themselves.

Sure, technically. In the sense that every random person has a chance to go to medical school.

Not everyone can pass medical school. Definitely not everyone should.

But unless you are 100.00% confident that not a single person would be negatively affected by self-medication instead of doctors advice (or even absence of advice) then your energy is better put to complaining that there aren’t enough doctors to meet demand rather than trying to advocate they can be substituted with sufficient Internet research.

Doctor aren’t some higher beings, hell a lot of them are idiots

What? How do you have this take towards one of the most important and respected jobs in the entire history of mankind? Self-researching/medication isn’t going to be comparable to a trained professional. Especially since they have extra resources specifically for medical research.

Sure, Doctors are only human and make mistakes from time to time, but there is a strict vetting process (that isn’t simply “fancy paper” as you put it) that only the most competent doctors are allowed to practice medicine. And a process to arrest them for malpractice if they fail afterwards. Without context of adhd, it reads like an anti-vaxer justifying the use of oils.

Medical advice should always be sought for these issues. If you didn’t trust a specific piece of medical advice? Get further medical advice i.e a second opinion.

If you need urgent help? Ask your doctor what can be done while waiting for your diagnosis.

There is absolutely no reason to think that the human body (esp. The brain) is simple enough that a layman can do it.

These are addictive substances with potentially dangerous side effects requiring specific doses and ongoing management. I’m on elvance and I needed to make sure my blood pressure was suitable before starting and then later going to a higher dose. People could be hurt, or killed with the self-medication advice and that isn’t a risk I would consider acceptable.

Of course it is exaggerated. That is the point of a hyperbolic arguments.

Examining hypothetical edge cases in more detail is a useful tool for defining where the issues lie in a debate.

Would you support/play a game of 100+ devs if key management DID commit war crimes? I’d like to think probably not.

It’s though it is clear from your response that misogyny isn’t a deal-breaker for you for this case, so the question then becomes; how shitty does a single person need to be before it becomes an issue for you then?

Other people drew a line in the sand at misogyny and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact I’d say it is a respectable opinion.

You probably would prefer to just ignore any controversy and just judge the game on its merits alone, and that is fine in its own way too. It is exhausting keeping up with the news and you would be happier and find it easier to just blindly enjoy a game.

But don’t pretend that just because you are ignoring it, doesn’t mean that you aren’t supporting bad practices like misogyny when you do so.

Edit: downvoted for not wanting to pay attention to stupid controversy about video games? Weird…

It’s one thing to live peacefully in ignorance. I get it. it is exhausting keeping track of every shitty thing a company does when it’s so much easier at the end of an exhausting 9-5 shift to avoid news and play your games guilt free without thinking about who it’s hurting.

It’s a completely separate thing to brag that your ignorance somehow makes your way of life superior.

People caring about these issues, and sometimes leading to actions being taken because of that, all makes the gaming industry, or to be hyberbolic; the world a better place.

It’s fine to avoid news on controversy and just blindly enjoy games, but don’t lie to yourself (and others) by pretending that it is a good thing.

Oh, but those Activision scumbags had no issue with this hype boosting MW1 sales right up until the day before the mods planned release date.

It’s one thing shutting down a modders passion project, it’s a complete other level of evil to allow it to proceed right up until release date because it boosted sales for an otherwise dead game.

I hope negative press from this tanks their sales, but we all know it won’t.

Check again. I think you missed some.

I frequently get annoyed by grammar nazis.

Your not always going to get your grammar write every time. Were only human. I wish they would say a simple “sorriy” once in a while.

“I heard the bassist of the famous band Dogstar is actually also a lesser known actor that starred in a few movies”

“we wanted to improve player emersion by getting them to find the blue credit key card in real life”

Seeing Tango go is actually hurtful. Hi-fi rush was a great IP and had the potential for a great sequel if given the chance.

(I feel they wrapped it up nicely but left it open enough for a sequel.)

I hope the employees can continue making great games elsewhere but it’s sad we will never see them develop the IP further.

I’d like to take a minute, just sit right there.

I’ll tell about the time I mauled some kid with a bear!

Apathy is worse than the whales.

Let’s do some theoretical scenarios for microtransactions:

-apathy with whales: “we need to ensure a good monetisation model to extract value from the whales, even if the normal players are missing out”

-apathy without whales: “let’s try adding microtransactions to extract more value per player, it won’t hurt our sales!”

-No apathy with whales: “no one is buying our game! And our whales have no one to play with! Are the whales even enough to fund this on its own? We got to undo the microtransactions soon!”

-No apathy no whales: “why did we even add microtransactions! Every business knows that only quality games and good marketing can help sales!”

A little hyberbolic but surely you see my point.

Ah. The “I’ll just tolerate this until it gets worse” mindset. Never backfires!

Surely even you can admit that slipping this in on release was a scummy move.

It’s “theoretical” only because there is no non-monetised version. They could have created a cheat shop with the items for free. Even if you choose not to use them having that option means it is a better experience, so it would still be a “diminished experience”.

If someone can pay extra money to get a different game experience from you then the publishers have denied you the chance at that experience which is “diminished”.

This isn’t even mentioning the performance issues on lunch that would be tolerated because “surely they’ll fix it later!”.

Sure you don’t care. Many people don’t care. And surely someone is going to try and highlight this apathy as a virtue somehow. And so publishers get to continue experimenting with how to milk franchises for every dollar it can instead of making an optimal game experience, overall making the game industry worse.

I don’t like the idea of them being slid in there

Yeah, but you’re tolerating it. which is good enough for greedy publishers.

If you want it to stop, don’t buy it. It’s the only option. Otherwise you allow publishers to make your game experience worse for profit.

The reason people like me are disappointed it is selling well is that these anti-consumer practices are not a deal-breaker for most people thus it allows these practices to persist in the game market. That is hardly “nonsense” as you put it.

I’m sure I’ll get a lot of “tolerating” people commenting that these “can be easily ignored”, but I doubt I will get a single person that says their experience was enhanced by these microtransactions, which could have simply been a cheat code instead.

While I understand that, I’m kinda sick of game companies trying to sell cheat codes in an already full priced game. It incentives creating a frustrating gameplay loop which can be bypassed for money.

If the game was a live service game, where there is expected updates (and thus development cost/server cost) then it could maybe be okay, but it is walking the line between full priced game and free to play game and I’m still figuring out if I’m okay with that or not.

I think klei may be my favourite studio. They create amazing games that are all truly unique but backed by strong game design concepts.

Mark of the ninja - great 2d stealth game were most games in the genre are 3d.

Invisible Inc - great turn-based Rougelike stealth game.

Don’t starve - probably one of the best survival games out there that relies on clever resource management rather than combat

Oxygen not included - a base building survival game, that is well designed to ramp up difficulty with the long term needs of your base

Griftlands - deck building game with a charming plot and interesting mechanics.

Each game they output is truly unique and interesting experience with some really clever design choices, but I think the point they became my favourite studio is when I read their article on Intrinsic vs. Extrinsic rewards to appreciate how well thought out their games were.

Haha. Glad you enjoyed it. Really great game that I think deserves more attention.

I’d recommend “in stars and time”. It is a turn-based RPG with loveable characters. I think it is best played blind so I’m hesitant to tell you more, but if you like games like undertale then I think you would like it.