• SomeLemmyUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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    The funny thing: both memes are true… We live in a fkin disgusting world where every system oppresses. People who think capitalism works for the people are equally braindead as the ones claiming China and Russia are communist utopias.

    Sure Marxist communism could be great, but it yet has to be archived

  • DominicO@ttrpg.network
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    don’t forget the US-backed Filipino dictator Ferdinand Marcos Sr… he oversaw a borderline ethnic cleansing campaign against moro muslims in mindanao, had thousands tortured and killed and sometimes had their mutilated bodies strewn on public areas(this is what we call salvaging), created an oligarchy that lives on today and, with his wife and children and billions of public funds, was flown out of the country by orders of Reagan when his regime was toppled by the 1986 revolution.

    and now his son, who continues to deny his father’s crimes and refuse to return the billions they stole from us, is president.

  • ConsciousLochNess@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Thank you! I saw the anti-communist one earlier today and was so sick of seeing the same old iPhone vuvuzela type arguments on here.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      1 year ago

      The sad part is that people just keep believing these tropes that have been thoroughly debunked at this point, and they just keep regurgitating them completely uncritically. Thankfully, seems that younger people are increasingly starting to question things.

  • yiliu@informis.land
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    1 year ago

    The Global South should give capitalism a try one of these decades. It paid off for Asia and Europe…

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      idk man, the Philippines has been trying capitalism for a while and it only empowered the aristocrats here even more and turned them into oligarchs.

          • yiliu@informis.land
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            You called me clueless based on a single sentence in an attempt to dismiss what I said. I didn’t use ‘ad hominem’ wrong, lol.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              1 year ago

              Yeah you did, ad hominem would be me saying you’re wrong because of a personal character trait. I just stated a simple observation about you. Like I said, clueless.

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                Oh, huh! I didn’t know it worked like that! If I had, I could’ve just pointed out that you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about and have a cartoonish worldview, and I could have avoided all the trouble of making actual arguments. That’s so much easier!

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  Alternatively you could’ve spent the time to educate yourself instead of making vapid comments on a public forum exposing yourself as an ignoramus.

        • SomeLemmyUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Its not an as hominem attack kid ^^ Ad hominem would be: you are an idiot and therefore wrong. What he says is “you write wrong stuff and are therfore an idiot”

          Huge difference

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            So, you’re saying that the Global South (either Africa or South America) has made major, concerted attempts at creating effective capitalist states?

            There’s a few examples. Australia, of course, though Leftists will obviously discount it.

            Chile very deliberately adopted capitalism, though it was under an oppressive dictator. Even so, it’s #3 on the list of South American countries for per-capita GDP these days, and is topping the list for political freedoms.

            Uruguay, with it’s famously beige recent politics, is #1.

            Of course, you have Indonesia, which has been doing pretty well recently. I wonder why? (/s)

            Malaysia and Singapore are technically in the northern hemisphere, so they don’t count I guess…

            Most of South America has historically swung radically back and forth between left and right (yes, in part due to US pressure). There’s a leftward swing again. Let’s see how it goes this time! Good news is that if it fails, they can just blame external forces yet again.

            • SomeLemmyUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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              and now your making a strawman argument. do you try to play some sort of bogus-argument-bingo?

              What is said was: “what a did was not an ad hominem atack”

              now your comment starts with: “So, you’re saying that the Global South (either Africa or South America) has made major, concerted attempts at creating effective capitalist states?”

              and you even dare to start with: "so what your saying is … "

              no thats not at all what i said, i didnt mention the globale south, i didnt metion capitalism, i didnt even agree with OP on his meme.

              but thats what you argue against. Do you really not see this or are you a troll?

              • yiliu@informis.land
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                Well this is a blast from the past. I can’t even load the context anymore.

                I was engaged in an argument, and staying focused on the argument instead of getting sidetracked by semantics. But anyway, you claimed “it’s not ad hominem, he said you were wrong therefore you are stupid!” That rests on the assumption that I was wrong, so I was assuming that was your assertion.

                I think. This was, after all, months ago, and apparently the account I was arguing with got deleted or something?

                • SomeLemmyUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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                  Yeah, just saw i had unread messages and replied.

                  My point was that you are using ad hominem wrong.

                  It would be an ad hominem Argument if he would take your personality/looks/person as an argument against your talking point/what you say.

                  This is not the case here. He argues against your talking point/what you say and uses that as an argument against your person.

                  It doesn’t matter what side of you both is right content wise, its not ad hominem either way, as you botth argue about the information itself. (Plus making [unnessesary] assumptions about each others personality based on the opinion they have in the information)

                  As homin is ONLY if you use the person saying the opinion against the opinion.

                  If you use the opinion the person says as an argument against the person, that something totally different and quite logic frankly.

                  For example: If trump says: poc are violent

                  Ad hominem would be: this is wrong BECAUSE trump said it.

                  Normal arguing is: trump is saying this, therefore he is a racist/dumb/wrong.

                  Two very different things.

                  And atacking others for caring two much about semantics when you make false (semantic) allegations is another sign of bad discussion style IMHO

                  I have no hard feelings about this thread, but it bothers me when people are discussing in awaty that is bound to fail, so I wanted to clarify this

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              First of all, capitalism is very obviously the model of relations in majority of Global South countries such a Brazil, India, Colombia and many others. The fact that you can’t even name these countries says volumes.

              However, whether these countries are capitalist or not is missing the point entirely. The reason Global South is poor has to do with the western capitalist empire having colonized these countries and continuing to brutally exploit them by stealing labour and resources out of these countries to prop up western lifestyle. The two books I linked in the post details the atrocities the west has committed against these countries in the name of capitalism.

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                India and Colombia are both in the northern hemisphere. Anyway, they’re not exactly enthusiastic capitalists.

                Western empires weren’t even really capitalist at the point that they colonized Colombia or India. And they’ve been gone for ages (nearly a century in India, much more for Colombia)…you think the wealth of the US, Europe, Australia, Canada, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, etc, are all being extracted somehow from India and Colombia and the rest of the Global South? By what mechanism? They don’t export a lot aside from raw materials, and even there they’re not exactly top of the list. So…how are capitalist countries living on extracted labor and resources? Are they piped through secret underground pipelines?

                Bad things happened in the past. Some continue to happen. That’s true. Doesn’t change the fact that communism is a stupid system.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  Go read the link I gave you explaining the definition of Global South, it’s not based solely on the hemisphere. We’re also talking about colonialism that’s happening today not some ancient history. However, much of the colonialism absolutely did initially happen under capitalism. The British empire being one of the biggest colonialist projects in history.

                  Maybe spend the time to minimally educate yourself on the subject you’re attempting to debate here instead of opnining about things you very clearly don’t have any clue about?

                  The fact that you think communism is a stupid system is really just the cherry on top.

  • girl@lemm.ee
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    in my experience teenagers are communists, socialists, and anarchists. it’s mostly gen Xers and boomers who love capitalism