One thing I’m unsure of is whether warming is so bad because
a) planet was warmer multiple time in prehistory and it led to abidance of life
b) we live in interglacial period and if that perid ends we are going to fight much worse calamity and need much more energy. Even getting out could become life threatening.
On the other hand Venus situation is also not ideal.
Not always, check Sahara for instance. Went from grass lands with biggest lake on planet to dust dry place within hundreds of years as Egyptians who built pyramids still lived in period before total desrtification. That affected whole world climate BTW.
It’s on a 40000+ year cycle, it’s not expected to be naturally green for another 15000 years. And some of the people who study this say that it is dry for the majority of the time (idk the actual breakdown that they claim but it is not a measly 1-2%).
My point is It’s irrelevant whether you think of it as such, OP point is climate changed in that time relatively fast dispite humans not going through industrial revolution. It manifested among else in Sahara.
Are you trying to say manmade climate change isn’t as bad for us as its being made out to be?
Because if you are, the planet literally doesn’t care and if some of the more basic lifeforms survive, life will go on.
But what we are worried about is whether it is habitable for humans, and we are fucking over our ability to survive at several magnitudes faster than is normal for our little rock spaceship.
I’m saying there are tens of theories, some of them are bad others are good or neutral for humans or other species. I’m also hinting that often activists and goverments don’t follow reason or science but are after feelings and sensations. But we should let scientists tp figure it out and find concensus.
One thing I’m unsure of is whether warming is so bad because a) planet was warmer multiple time in prehistory and it led to abidance of life b) we live in interglacial period and if that perid ends we are going to fight much worse calamity and need much more energy. Even getting out could become life threatening.
On the other hand Venus situation is also not ideal.
Speed of change.
Natural climate changes happen over tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years
Not tens to hundreds of years.
Not always, check Sahara for instance. Went from grass lands with biggest lake on planet to dust dry place within hundreds of years as Egyptians who built pyramids still lived in period before total desrtification. That affected whole world climate BTW.
A green Sahara is the anomaly.
it’s cycle that reapeats itself, I suppose it can seem unusual.
It’s on a 40000+ year cycle, it’s not expected to be naturally green for another 15000 years. And some of the people who study this say that it is dry for the majority of the time (idk the actual breakdown that they claim but it is not a measly 1-2%).
So yes, a green Sahara is unusual.
My point is It’s irrelevant whether you think of it as such, OP point is climate changed in that time relatively fast dispite humans not going through industrial revolution. It manifested among else in Sahara.
Are you trying to say manmade climate change isn’t as bad for us as its being made out to be?
Because if you are, the planet literally doesn’t care and if some of the more basic lifeforms survive, life will go on.
But what we are worried about is whether it is habitable for humans, and we are fucking over our ability to survive at several magnitudes faster than is normal for our little rock spaceship.
I’m saying there are tens of theories, some of them are bad others are good or neutral for humans or other species. I’m also hinting that often activists and goverments don’t follow reason or science but are after feelings and sensations. But we should let scientists tp figure it out and find concensus.