For instance, say I search for “The Dark Knight” on my Usenet indexer. It returns to me a list of uploads and where to get them via my Usenet provider. I can then download them, stitch them together, and verify that it is, indeed, The Dark Knight. All of this costs only a few dollars a month for me.

My question is, why can’t copyright holders do this as well? They could follow the same process, and then send takedown requests for each individual article which comprises the movie. We already know they try to catch people torrenting so why don’t they do this as well?

I can think of a few reasons, but they all seem pretty shaky.

  1. The content is hosted in countries where they don’t have to comply with takedown requests.

It seems unlikely to me that literally all of it is hosted in places like this. Plus, the providers wouldn’t be able to operate at all in countries like the US without facing legal repercussions.

  1. The copyright holders feel the upfront cost of indexer and provider access is greater than the cost of people pirating their content.

This also seems fishy. It’s cheap enough for me as an individual to do this, and if Usenet weren’t an option, I’d have to pay for 3+ streaming services to be able to watch everything I do currently. They’d literally break even with this scheme if they could only remove access to me.

  1. They do actually do this, but it’s on a scale small enough for me not to care.

The whole point of doing this would be to make Usenet a non-viable option for piracy. If I don’t care about it because it happens so rarely, then what’s the point of doing it at all?

  • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    36·
    10 months ago

    First, a massive amount of content is removed. You won’t find a lot of popular, unencrypted content these days on usenet. It’s all encrypted and obfuscated now to avoid the bots

    Speaking of bots, I don’t think you realize how much of this process is automated, or how wide of a net is being used. The media corporations all have enormous collected libraries of material. It gets posted constantly to all sorts of places. This includes public torrents, public usenet, YouTube, PornHub (yes, really, even for non-porn), Facebook, TikTok, Tumblr, GNUtella, DDL sites…

    The list goes on and on. Each one gets scanned for millions of potentially infringing items, often daily. No actual people are doing those steps.

    Now, throw in things like private torrents, encrypted usenet posts, invite-only DDL, listings that use ‘3’ instead ‘e’ or those other character subscriptions… These require actual humans to process. Humans that cost money, and a considerable amount of it. As a business, you have to show a return on investment. Fighting piracy, even at its theoretical best, doesn’t increase revenues by a lot.

    You mention revenue and breaking even, but you left out an important detail. Your time is free. They don’t have to pay $10/month, they have to pay $10/month + $20/hour for someone to deal with it. And most pirates of that level will just find another method.

    • Darkassassin07@lemmy.caEnglish
      81·
      10 months ago

      You won’t find a lot of popular, unencrypted content these days on usenet. It’s all encrypted and obfuscated now to avoid the bots

      That’s not been my experience at all. Pretty much everything I’ve looked for has been available and I rarely come across encrypted files. I do regularly have to try 2 or 3 nzbs before I find a complete one, but I almost always find one.

      • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        7·
        10 months ago

        Are they obfuscated in any way? Depending on your client, you may not be able to see the names and subjects. But if you didn’t have the NZB, is there any real chance you could find it otherwise?

        • Darkassassin07@lemmy.caEnglish
          4·
          10 months ago

          But if you didn’t have the NZB, is there any real chance you could find it otherwise?

          No, but that’s just the nature of NZB file sharing. The individual articles aren’t typically tagged/named with the actual file names, that info is pulled from the NZB and the de-compressed + stitched together articles.

          I’m not using any special indexers, just open public registration ones. The NZBs aren’t hard to find, for me or for IP claimants.

    • Evotech@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      10 months ago

      I remember spesifically game of thrones. If you didn’t download the episode within a day or so of being released it was DMCAed and gone from most popular usenets

      Not seen that with anything else tho

      • jeeperv6@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        10 months ago

        HBO used to be bad. Going back to the Deadwood or True Blood days… the show would air, within 20 minutes of the end credits, it’d be up on Usenet. You had to start grabbing it ASAP, HBO’s sniffers would be on the look out within an hour. And they’d take down just enough parts to make the PARS useless. I don’t miss the UUEncode days and the refreshing a newsgroup every few minutes to see if my show got posted (or re-posted) days.