We were talking about presidential races, but I’m glad you’re finally falling back to state-level races because you realize you can’t make your case in a national race. I’m sure if our roles were reversed, you’d gladly vote and volunteer for a party that hates people like you and will never give your side a primary win, other than by occasional sheer hubris, for 30 years. I guess I’m just not as forgiving as you are. If you can keep the GOP at bay without us lifting a finger, I’d honestly prefer that. It’s not like I WANT to stand out in the November cold for 10 hours while I watch the GOP poll standers get catered meals and hope the SEIU or AFLCIO shows up with the grossest sandwiches you’ve ever seen around 5PM in the same week I walked 8 miles of city blocks knocking on doors for a center-right party that hates me, believe it or not.
I was talking about presidential races too. Then you said Obama and Clinton don’t count for some reason.
Does the 2020 election count? Or the fact that Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the last 30 years, relying more on winning the EC without actually having the most votes?
Because all of those things are evidence that the national Dem strategy is a good one. Time and again, liberals + independents > 50% of the vote.
And I have also volunteered for the DNC in multiple elections. Starting with Dukakis, in fact (even though I supported Paul Simon in the primary). But I still don’t expect them to “give” me a primary win. Wins have to be earned.
Finally, the DNC doesn’t hate you. They agree with many of your goals and want you to be part of their coalition. But being in a coalition means you don’t get everything you want, or even most of what you want. You get some of what you want, like everyone else. That’s not being “forgiving”, that’s being a realistic team player.
I was pointing to Obama and Clinton of successful reelection bids where they tacked right, but as I pointed out, they were better positioned to do that than Biden by virtue of greater individual talent, team talent, and a FAR more favorable midwest.
As I pointed out, in 2020, Biden promised MANY things to the left, such as HBCU debt forgiveness, expanded child tax credit, raising the minimum wage, etc, making an appeal to the left and young voters. They had a MASSIVE outreach strategy aimed at Bernie voters to get them to not stay home after they rigged the primary, as they overtly knew that was a concern.
Their current “shut up and vote for us while we start WWIII” strategy in 2024 is quite different from 2020, and I would argue far less likely to succeed. Do wins have to be earned by the party’s actual base, but votes not have to be earned by the party? That seems VERY much like you are a subject of the DNC, not a voter.
The DNC’s insider superdelegate leadership only pretends to support goals. Their only actual goal is to raise money to spend on political ads the PR execs who run the DNC can make a cut on, and loyal dems who never ask for any accountability only play into that. This dynamic only leads to a republican advantage long term because their brand of corruption actually relies on winning so they can quid pro quo corporations while in power. If you don’t demand that the DNC wins, they actually have no specific incentive to do that, they can raise more money on the outrages that result when the GOP is in office delivering on issues with 20% popular support for THEIR base.
Biden has delivered on most of his main campaign promises: control COVID, restore the economy, invest in green infrastructure, and lower drug prices. His main broken promise was to reform immigration.
He has forgiven over $100 billion in student debt, as well as spent over $3 billion on HBCU debt relief / tuition breaks. I also credit him with the recent upswing in union membership, due to aggressive lawsuits by the NLRB against Starbucks, Tesla, etc (and yes those actions more than outweigh his handling of the BNSF strike).
He didn’t raise the minimum wage, but raising the minimum wage has been part of the DNC platform since at least 1988 (when Dukakis ran). I don’t fault him for not having the necessary Senate supermajority, same as every other president.
The current strategy is not “shut up and vote for us while we start WWIII” (for one thing, very few people are worried about WW3). If anything, the current strategy is “We delivered a lot of things that Democrats wanted”. Which is true, even if the message isn’t getting out.
Finally, of course I hold the DNC accountable for winning elections. They have exceeded my expectations on that part, I would not expect >50% of vote in nearly all national elections. They got a majority even when running less charismatic candidates like Hillary Clinton and Al Gore.
And if Biden provided a few things I wanted (he has) and Democrats are still capable of winning a majority of the vote (they are) then I don’t care at all about the inner workings of the party.
The Democrats forced someone with massively underwater approval numbers on their electorate in 2016, keeping all “serious” candidates out of the field (which is why Bernie ran to begin with as a “if nobody will run I guess I will”) and called people like me calling for RBG to retire while she could be replaced to save abortion rights “sexist” for being skeptical that opening a rift to the girlboss universe by Clinton appointing RBG’s replacement at midnight on a full moon or whatever wasn’t worth risking the legality of abortion in America.
The DNC has a history of playing with fire while facing Donald Trump specifically and getting burned, while setting everything on fire. According to reporting even Obama is horrified that Biden is overtly making no effort to be re-elected. He’s hardly started to organize in swing states even, and per all reporting seems to literally have no plan.
I think you have a rose-tinted view of the Democrats ability to function in the most basic ways, much less win elections, and especially in the case of Biden, who has never won an election where he wasn’t an incumbent or running against someone who mismanaged a pandemic during that pandemic (except during the Nixon administration). In 2020, he literally called an Iowa voter “fats” and challenged him to a fist fight (wonder why he didn’t win). This man has no record of actually winning competitive races without a massive advantage and is literally currently underwater while Trump overperformed polls by like 15 points in 2020. This just seems to me like running the Titanic into the glacier with no attempt to avoid disaster.
We were talking about presidential races, but I’m glad you’re finally falling back to state-level races because you realize you can’t make your case in a national race. I’m sure if our roles were reversed, you’d gladly vote and volunteer for a party that hates people like you and will never give your side a primary win, other than by occasional sheer hubris, for 30 years. I guess I’m just not as forgiving as you are. If you can keep the GOP at bay without us lifting a finger, I’d honestly prefer that. It’s not like I WANT to stand out in the November cold for 10 hours while I watch the GOP poll standers get catered meals and hope the SEIU or AFLCIO shows up with the grossest sandwiches you’ve ever seen around 5PM in the same week I walked 8 miles of city blocks knocking on doors for a center-right party that hates me, believe it or not.
I was talking about presidential races too. Then you said Obama and Clinton don’t count for some reason.
Does the 2020 election count? Or the fact that Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the last 30 years, relying more on winning the EC without actually having the most votes?
Because all of those things are evidence that the national Dem strategy is a good one. Time and again, liberals + independents > 50% of the vote.
And I have also volunteered for the DNC in multiple elections. Starting with Dukakis, in fact (even though I supported Paul Simon in the primary). But I still don’t expect them to “give” me a primary win. Wins have to be earned.
Finally, the DNC doesn’t hate you. They agree with many of your goals and want you to be part of their coalition. But being in a coalition means you don’t get everything you want, or even most of what you want. You get some of what you want, like everyone else. That’s not being “forgiving”, that’s being a realistic team player.
I was pointing to Obama and Clinton of successful reelection bids where they tacked right, but as I pointed out, they were better positioned to do that than Biden by virtue of greater individual talent, team talent, and a FAR more favorable midwest. As I pointed out, in 2020, Biden promised MANY things to the left, such as HBCU debt forgiveness, expanded child tax credit, raising the minimum wage, etc, making an appeal to the left and young voters. They had a MASSIVE outreach strategy aimed at Bernie voters to get them to not stay home after they rigged the primary, as they overtly knew that was a concern.
Their current “shut up and vote for us while we start WWIII” strategy in 2024 is quite different from 2020, and I would argue far less likely to succeed. Do wins have to be earned by the party’s actual base, but votes not have to be earned by the party? That seems VERY much like you are a subject of the DNC, not a voter.
The DNC’s insider superdelegate leadership only pretends to support goals. Their only actual goal is to raise money to spend on political ads the PR execs who run the DNC can make a cut on, and loyal dems who never ask for any accountability only play into that. This dynamic only leads to a republican advantage long term because their brand of corruption actually relies on winning so they can quid pro quo corporations while in power. If you don’t demand that the DNC wins, they actually have no specific incentive to do that, they can raise more money on the outrages that result when the GOP is in office delivering on issues with 20% popular support for THEIR base.
Biden has delivered on most of his main campaign promises: control COVID, restore the economy, invest in green infrastructure, and lower drug prices. His main broken promise was to reform immigration.
He has forgiven over $100 billion in student debt, as well as spent over $3 billion on HBCU debt relief / tuition breaks. I also credit him with the recent upswing in union membership, due to aggressive lawsuits by the NLRB against Starbucks, Tesla, etc (and yes those actions more than outweigh his handling of the BNSF strike).
He didn’t raise the minimum wage, but raising the minimum wage has been part of the DNC platform since at least 1988 (when Dukakis ran). I don’t fault him for not having the necessary Senate supermajority, same as every other president.
The current strategy is not “shut up and vote for us while we start WWIII” (for one thing, very few people are worried about WW3). If anything, the current strategy is “We delivered a lot of things that Democrats wanted”. Which is true, even if the message isn’t getting out.
Finally, of course I hold the DNC accountable for winning elections. They have exceeded my expectations on that part, I would not expect >50% of vote in nearly all national elections. They got a majority even when running less charismatic candidates like Hillary Clinton and Al Gore.
And if Biden provided a few things I wanted (he has) and Democrats are still capable of winning a majority of the vote (they are) then I don’t care at all about the inner workings of the party.
The Democrats forced someone with massively underwater approval numbers on their electorate in 2016, keeping all “serious” candidates out of the field (which is why Bernie ran to begin with as a “if nobody will run I guess I will”) and called people like me calling for RBG to retire while she could be replaced to save abortion rights “sexist” for being skeptical that opening a rift to the girlboss universe by Clinton appointing RBG’s replacement at midnight on a full moon or whatever wasn’t worth risking the legality of abortion in America.
The DNC has a history of playing with fire while facing Donald Trump specifically and getting burned, while setting everything on fire. According to reporting even Obama is horrified that Biden is overtly making no effort to be re-elected. He’s hardly started to organize in swing states even, and per all reporting seems to literally have no plan.
I think you have a rose-tinted view of the Democrats ability to function in the most basic ways, much less win elections, and especially in the case of Biden, who has never won an election where he wasn’t an incumbent or running against someone who mismanaged a pandemic during that pandemic (except during the Nixon administration). In 2020, he literally called an Iowa voter “fats” and challenged him to a fist fight (wonder why he didn’t win). This man has no record of actually winning competitive races without a massive advantage and is literally currently underwater while Trump overperformed polls by like 15 points in 2020. This just seems to me like running the Titanic into the glacier with no attempt to avoid disaster.