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And hopefully no instance will federate with them… Right?
Couldn’t just some of y’all defed instead of blocking it wholesale for everyone?
I thought one of the main perks of federation was user choice?
Well, that’s what has always been mentioned, defederated from them, AFAIK there’s no way of blocking it completely from the fediverse, so if your instance’s admin wants they can decide to not block them and you can interact with meta.
If your instance defederates and you want to still see their activity then you can choose an instance which is still federated with them.
The annoying thing is that some people demand to defederate from instances that don’t defederate
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Yeah and we choose you going somewhere else to play with Facebook.
That’s true this place could really use less users.
This place is growing just fine already, we don’t need to dump 141 million new accounts into it overnight.
That’s not how federation and mastodon works, and you know that very well.
Simply don’t follow anyone on threads if you don’t wanna see thread content. But who TF cares where the content comes from?
Embrace, extend, extinguish. They’ll play nice with the Fediverse for a while. Maybe years. But then they’ll introduce a new feature to the Fediverse as a “good will gesture”. Then they’ll make features available to only people federated with Threads. Then they’ll make features only people on Threads can see. And so on and so forth. We SHOULD care where the content comes from. Platforms that are neutral should be where our content comes from.
You’re just describing how the fediverse works. One social network that is partially comparable with another network. Like subscribing to pixelated from mastodon, etc. not all features are available, but some are. Not only is there no such thing as a neutral platform, but the decentralization of mastodon and the fediverse in general is specifically to address that.
The danger of meta is their data scraping - something they can already do anyway without their own servers being federated.
I care. If I start seeing content from Meta in the fediverse I’ll probably just leave.
Why? Why are humans who use threads so repulsive to you that you leave an entire federated social network just because some people used a particular server?
Right??
I suspect lemm.ee will, but not much beyond that. Hell, theyre still fedded with explodingheads and hexbear.
Threads isn’t going to federate with Lemmy. It’s not the same sort of communication and the crossovers are ugly and confusing. Mastodon is where the real federation/defederation decisions will take place.
I can see a social media implementation of a communities section and feeding off lemmy that way. Essentially cloning reddit through their users and using lemmy communities content as a Kickstarter tool.
Sure, if they clone Reddit then I definitely could see it, though I think Lemmy communities are a much bigger risk for them to open up to since they’re so moderation dependent. At least with Mastodon what you see is all based on your follows. Reddit loves to abdicate on responsibility by just leaving it all to the mods, but I don’t think Meta can get away with that, and especially when they don’t directly control the mods.
I believe exploding heads is gone.
Tell that to this guy
Mhm, just because John Mastodon embraces Meta doesn’t mean that I have to like it.
The great Mastodon.social itsself would federate they wrote some blogs back when threads anounced activitypub integtation
I feel the only thing I don’t see on kbin is 18+ stuff. lol
All the political extreme instances and their users seem to be still there.Because?
Because I don’t want Facebook to get my content, nor do I want their content in my feeds. I joined the fediverse to be as far away from corpos (facebook, twitter, youtube) as possible.
Facebook, and literally anyone else, can already get all your content.
It would take all of a second to scrape your user page. Obviously that wouldn’t grant your IP address or anything, but neither would federation.
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Meta is only pushing, not pulling. So if you’re an influential person there is less incentive to create a masto account. Threads content will appear in both places, but Mastodon content will only get exposure with mastodon’s smaller user base.
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The fear is that the broader Fediverse will get hooked on a flood of Threads content. They have much more daily active users, and as we already know, large instances can easily dominate a feed. And Threads will be gigantic.
To 1:
We’re starting with the ability to follow threads users from activitypub clients, but we will get to the ability to follow accounts from activitypub servers on threads as well
If 2. will actually be a problem some instances will defederate, while many users will choose an instance which allows them to follow who they want. I’m all for interoperable social media/messaging, because it gives users the choice.
I’m curious when they’ll add inbound federation. It could lead to massive amounts of spam, so they’ll probably block instances or inbound traffic quite quickly.
Hopefully it won’t end like email, where it’s really difficult to start federating to the big providers (Threads). But even then, we’ll still be able to choose any of the current instances and continue without them. Edit: It’s not a big problem if Threads doesn’t show all posts, since other instances will still show them to users who care. Compared to email where a 100% delivery rate is critical (at least for important stuff).
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am escape big company already [._.]
Why would they if they want the Fediverse to grow. Gatekeeping is awful.
no help of big company needed for growth
Infinity grow is a mirage. We need to understand that. It’s fine if a social media as a limit.
What’s important is how you manage to keep it in life. Even here, you have a limit. It’s conservative to think that it will last for ever as you will encontre the same issue as with infinite grow.
The fact is that thing appear, have a lifespan and die. Social media aren’t immune to it.
I don’t want the fediverse to grow if it has anything to do with Meta.
This is a bad take.
Worth noting that Meta through threads currently plans to collect and monetize the data of all users that it federates with.
Worth noting. Anyone could already be doing this without threads.
IANAL, but I’m not sure that’s legal everywhere facebook operates.
Have you any idea how many billions Facebook has been fined for this shit.
Capitalists don’t care if something is legal or not. Just how much the fine will impact their bottom line. And if anyone can prove it. I 100 percent guarantee you that every major tech company is technically in violation of the GDPR etc. it’s just a matter of whether or not it will ever be provable enough to be actionable.
The data is out there. Meta does not need threads to scrape it is the basic thing to take away.
It’s publicly sitting on the internet.
That’s actually the most interesting concern I’ve seen raised about this. I hadn’t thought about that. The embrace, extend, extinguish thing is what you see most people raise as a issue.
All your stuff is already public on the internet without any special access being granted. If they want the convenience of receiving ActivityPub packets and metadata, they can just stand up a honeypot instance and some fake accounts. The Fediverse isn’t built for privacy.
that’s even worse than I imagined it :O
They don’t need ActivityPub for that. Nearly everything on the fediverse is public and scrapable. If they want to monetize fediverse data, they already can
They don’t need to federate to do that.
Meta also doesn’t need to federate in order to do that, since federation just accesses public data.
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In how far? I think it is actually a valid criticism of a very strongly opinionated take.
To be fair, get fucked?
I think that’s a pretty fair response to shilling for corps.
I wholeheartedly agree
Hi. No one is creating content on Threads, can we steal your content, please?
Meh. Threads is quite busy on my feed. I loved chatting during Doctor Who just like I used to when Twitter was around. I use Lemmy, Mastodon, and Threads, personally. I find Threads to be super wholesome and positive and it can only help the Fediverse thrive with mainstream users much like Gmail did with email.
Gmail did with email.
That might be the worst example you could have chosen, given that Gmail is largely responsible for the current technical impossibility of self hosted email.
how is self hosted email impossible? I do it. outlook and thunderbird exist.
Um. I’m not one of those who downvoted you, but are you sure you understand the difference between hosting email, and running a client?
well if you are talking about actually self-hosting a mail server, then gmail didn’t prevent that isp’s did.
and downvotes mean nothing since my instance doesn’t have them.
It had nothing to do with ISPs. Here’s a good writeup on the topic
Lol.
I think most here have come here to avoid big tech companies. Reddit has become bad and beyond the pale. Facebook, and Meta companies are not good for privacy, and many wouldn’t like to promote them or have their content building those platforms up. Eventually, you become the thing you hate.
Same, bro, same.
It’s really weird the stuff people here get emotional over.
I’m just glad we will be able to interact with those few people that won’t use the rest of the Fediverse but stay on Threads.
I’m not. :)
Maybe it’s an opportunity to convince them otherwise?
Threads federation is mostly targeted towards Mastodon than Lemmy, so I highly doubt it will make much of a difference whether any Lemmy instance federates or not, since Lemmy is purely group based and does not federate well with even Mastodon to begin with as there is a huge difference in design philosophy. (Which means I can stay under the radar a bit longer.)
However, I don’t think Facebook will stop at Threads, they are using Threads as a preliminary test, and if it goes well, I think the next step they could do is to get Instagram itself to federate.
So here is a thought: suppose reddit or Instagram are open to federation, would you say federating with them and getting all their content will be worth it?
No
Seconded, I’ll leave the fediverse if that happens. I want nothing to do with those sociopathic corporations.
And this is why lemmy will never overtake reddit. Literally the satanic panic, because some users might be posting on some other platform.
It’s not a competition, quality over quantity. I don’t want anything to do with corporate social media, it’s a disease.
Except lemmy isn’t some “high quality social media”. It’s the same thing, with users that act the same.
It has much less corporate influence and the user base is self-selecting for people who give a shit enough to seek that out.
Oh my gosh it’s Margot Robbie
That’s esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress/Lemmy powermod Margot Robbie to you!
Hot damn
RIP open and user owned Internet movement attempt.
Say Hello to Fediverse+, for only $39.99 a month you can access ad free browsing as your feed is fed only corpo approved posts that have flooded and drowned out any alternative voices.
I’m don’t totally understand the fediverse and how it works. How does meta making one of their options federated harm the rest of the fediverse?
Wow, this shit needs to be posted everywhere.
It was for a good few weeks
Longer user know about it. It’s good to post it time to time (as a reminder or not) so people know about it.
There is zero benefit to engaging with multi-billion dollar companies.
The harm is they embrace, extend, extinguish the Fediverse and I can easily see the W3C letting them donate and start putting in some features “to protect” the children or media ownership rights or whatever bogus excuse they’ll use to start cracking down on it like every company does every time it gets involved in something.
But then if other instances don’t want those features, isn’t the worst that can happen that instances just de-federate from Threads? I know the history of EEE, but I don’t see how that can even work here.
But then if other instances don’t want those features
In other words, if other instances don’t want to have compatibility with the popular instances – hence the issue.
That’s not really an issue though; or at least, I’m not yet convinced it’s one. We’re here because we don’t want to have compatibility with Reddit, and I’m on Mastodon because I don’t want to have compatibility with Twitter.
We’re here
Are we though? Because it looks like you’re on kbin and I’m on slrpnk.
If either one of our instances decides to implement proprietary features that Threads creates (the second E in EEE) and the other one doesn’t, that could break the experience of us being “here” together.
And we’re free to move to another instance that has the access, or lack thereof, that we want.
Yes if certain instances don’t like Threads they can de-federate from it, and I’m sure a few will, Personally I think it should be down to user choice as the users on Threads aren’t to bad it’s the company that is.
low quality content ._.
the users on Threads aren’t to bad
Ehhhh…
The only benefit is that the Fediverse will have potentially more users as well as companies possibly following in METAs steps and integrating ActivityPub. This is a beneficial step for the internet but only time will tell how it actually plays out.
More companies is the opposite of beneficial for the Internet.
We need a people oriented Internet.
Yes I get that but the only way people will feel like they can move across is by other bigger ‘projects’ being made like Threads that integrate and teach people the basics of the Fediverse before they possibly push off to Mastodon, Lemmy, Kbin, PixelFed, Ext.
This is a good step even if the people behind it are terrible hopefully having people interact with other communities will push people to move over to them instead of being in control of META or other big companies.
Growth is already steady, and the more these companies shoot themselves in the foot the more large migration waves we get.
Slightly speeding up an already naturally occurring process doesn’t seem worth the risks of allowing corps into our spaces.
The problem is there’s only so far that the general userbase will grow without the fall off big tech, the only one that is close to falling is X formally Twitter and I don’t think most people want those sorts of people on here, not yet at least.
Sure you might be right in the way of the Fediverse growing but either way big tech is goanna want to join the Fediverse sooner or later, we might as well try and get as many users to jump the Big Tech ship and move to these platforms.
is big company influence
I should say I’m actively opposed to anyone gaining control of the fediverse but when I started using Lemmy, Masterdon and Peertube, (until about an hour ago) I was unaware that it would be this easy for a big company to just engulf it if they wished to.
If I knew that the fediverse could be controlled and then drained like every other internet community, I would have approached it differently.
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Facebook didn’t kill XMPP, how would they kill the existing alternatives?
Facebook didn’t kill XMPP
That’s 'cause Google did.
I still use xmpp.
It is just mostly dead.
It was never big. Dead is relative.
And so it begins…Embrace.
Has mastodon blocked threads? Please block it. Kill that shit and hope thread will take zuckerberg out too.
Mastodon.social admin and lead mastodon dev Eugen Rochko signed an NDA with Facebook and has since been in support of Threads’ embrace of the Fediverse and asked people to give Facebook a chance. We won’t know if he’s made some deal (monetary or otherwise) with Facebook due to aformentioned NDA.
Many instances of the fediverse are anti-Threads despite his shilling though.
Shit! That’s sucks. Out of curiosity , can fb ever own fediverse?
No, but they can poison it. Luckily, it is possible to block their servers.
Fuck SuckerBurg all my homies hate Suckerburg
Fuckerberg
The big Zuck
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Joining the fediverse — the decentralized world of social media that includes Mastodon, Pixelfed, and other services that all interoperate through ActivityPub — has been on the Threads team’s to-do list since the very beginning.
Instagram head Adam Mosseri told The Verge in July that he believed decentralizing the platform was key to making it relevant to a new generation of creators.
Skeptics have long held that Threads would never actually federate, even as Zuckerberg, Mosseri, and others at Meta kept promising they would.
For the largest and most centralized social service on the web, suddenly throwing open the gates to other platforms seemed like an unlikely pivot.
This test appears to only cover one small part of a truly federated social network — it doesn’t sound like you’ll be able to post from Mastodon to Threads, for instance, and you can’t move your account between services.
But the test at least reaffirms Meta’s commitment to ActivityPub and to being part of the broader open social web.
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Best way to centralize the decentralized network.
Threads is a failed platform. It isn’t like they’re adding federation to Facebook.
I’m all for it. People can defederate if they need to, but I’m all for just letting it happen. If I have friends on threads but I don’t wanna join, cool.
Let’s all tone down the snobbery.
Fuuuuuuuck that.
what snobbery
The elitist gatekeeping. Not that “I don’t want to see their content” but instead “I want to prevent anyone from seeing their content”.
It doesn’t seem to be snobbery, the concern is more that big corp with money to throw around muscles their way in and changes what the Fediverse is either through EEE, or just by being bigger
That doesn’t seem to be the concern, or at least it’s expressed in a way that describes how the fediverse is meant to work.
