Former President Barack Obama cautioned against ignoring the complexities of the Israel-Hamas war, warning that “all of us are complicit.”

“If you want to solve the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth. And you then have to admit nobody’s hands are clean, that all of us are complicit to some degree,” he said in an excerpted interview with Pod Save America released Saturday.

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    Israel is not the party that stormed a festival and ruthlessly executed civilians and took civilians as hostages. It’s easy to play this game. The fact is Hamas is the bigger asshole at the moment, much bigger. They launched an attack with no clear objectives other than killing Israelis. If they had lined up on the border of Gaza and said they were declaring independence, creating a sovereign state to end years of ongoing Israeli brutality, and requested international support to build the governance and infrastructure to support it this would be a totally different discussion.

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      Oh, look… a liberal blaming the colonized for their own colonization.

      It just doesn’t take a lot for you to betray the rabid right-wing, pro-colonialist ideology hiding under your liberal facade, does it?

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        Here’s the part you’re not getting: Hamas didn’t launch the attack to end their colonization. Show me some clear, obtainable objectives from Hamas in this attack that will benefit Gaza and the Palestinians instead of just taunting liberals and I’ll be all ears.

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          Here’s the part you’re not getting - the colonized does not require your approval or permission to resist colonization.

          The fact that you obviously believe they do shows how thoroughly you are invested in viewing the world through the lens of white supremacist colonialism… so I guess the answer to my original question is in the affrimative - you are the exact kind of person that would have provided “complexity” apologetics no matter which instance of colonialist slaughter we’d be living through.

          Peak liberalism - as the kids these days would say.

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            Again, Hamas is not doing anything to address or end the colonization. Nothing. I’ll get on your side for a moment and for the sake of discussion I’ll agree Israel has done very bad things to Palestinians over decades. Pile on whatever you want on top of this to make Israel out to be worse than Satan or whatever. Then answer the question, what positive outcome will there be to the Hamas attack? You’ve failed to identify anything. Your entire line of argument here is an irrelevant “because colonization” and a bunch of labeling and ad hominem attacks on anyone who disagrees with you.

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              Again,

              Again - the colonized does not require your approval or permission to resist colonization.

              Then answer the question, what positive outcome will there be to the Hamas attack?

              Positive for whom? You? A proven supporter of white supremacist settler-colonialism?

              Or the Palestinians, perhaps, whom you’d prefer to blink out of existence quietly so that you can continue to exist inside your bubble of 1st world privilege without having to face the fact that said privilege is built on exactly that which we are witnessing in Gaza?

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                Positive for whom? You?

                I said previously “Show me some clear, obtainable objectives from Hamas in this attack that will benefit Gaza and the Palestinians”. How many times need I ask?

                Your lack of an answer is the answer. Thank you.

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                  I said previously

                  Again - the colonized does not require your approval or permission to resist colonization.

                  Your lack of an answer

                  Your apologetics for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state doesn’t imply a requirement for “answers” on my part - considering that it is you that are peddling apologetics for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state.

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              Hamas’s attack literally wiped colonizing acceptment off the table. They have tried asking nicely and israel just continued colonizing Palestine.