Frame rate and optimization issues currently leave CS2 anything but playable on Steam Deck, but it appears that Valve is working quickly to fix things.
It’s not a standard xbox controller. There’s a gyro with several ways to handle it, including flick, which does take a little time to get used to, but works really well as a mouse substitution for such an environment. Some people are just that good with a thumbstick as well and can easily enjoy casual gamemodes.
Steam Deck is a capable beast, even for a game like Counter-Strike.
The same was said about the steam controller, but in the end it was still shit compared to a mouse. It’s just not feasible in a game as competitive as csgo.
It’s not for everyone, but calling it shit just because it doesn’t work easily for your liking is
a bit much since it’s still usable to some. I beat plethora of shooters on gyro and it wasn’t that much harder than playing on mouse once I got used to it.
CS:GO is dead, though, and neither of the popular and beloved entries to the series was ever solely focused on the competitive scene - the community and the casual fun also matter in the world of Counter-Strike, and that’s one of its parts that can be enjoyed on a controller just fine. Of course I don’t expect to be able to perform just as well or better than the M+K players when playing on a controller, regardless of its gyro capabilities, especially in the competitive modes. Counter-Strike is just much more than just a competitive game.
Eh, people always say this yet data shows it’s not true. Many competitive games have had controller vs m+k and found no discernible advantage. Halo for one, gears of war is another I remember.
I play with an elite controller and I have had zero problem winning and going mvp against m+k players in any game I’ve played. I play PUBG where m+k use is rampant and I still maintain a 30-40% win rate in squads, often in 2 man squads.
At its core, CS is a competitive shooter. Having casual maps and modes is fun but the game should not cater to this play mode. If valve tries to make it casual friendly they will disappoint the competitive players and will not be able to compete with other casual shooters.
Basically I don’t want then to cater too much to the casual scene
CSGO was made entirely for the purpose of being a console game, no body played it on console so they abandoned it
You are perfectly capable of setting on the couch at any time. The computer does not stop this. You are actively making the decision to not sit on a couch, as an adult you’re allowed to do this.
Some games have controller-based matchmaking, where you hop in a lobby and only people with similar controllers to your get matched against you. So if you play with keyboard and mouse, you play against keyboard and mouse players. If you play with a controller, you play against other people with controllers. With crossplay getting more and more popular, I think every game should have this option.
Small adjustments from rotating a controller will never be nearly as precise as moving a mouse.
Fast flicking wide turns is going to be far too slow even at the fastest joystick speed, which would screw up aiming in other ways as well
Strafing would be very limited even if you somehow overcame all those issues and were magically a human robot. Your controller can only rotate so much to track the player over a distance.
Joystick movement is simply never as precise as mouse, including with gyro that has a separate slow speed to try and be accurate as possible. Which doing that then means you can’t strafe or quick turn.
Mouse can do it all with significantly less effort, and with a much higher skill ceiling. Which that is what matters if you’re in competitive play. If you’re not trying to be competitive, then fuck it, use whatever is fun.
Of course, I don’t doubt that. But someone with say 500 hours in csgo playing with keyboard mouse will absolutely destroy someone with 500 hours playing with sticks/gyro. But honestly I can’t think of a single streamer or pro that doesn’t use keyboard mouse
You’d have to be a masochist to actually play this on steam deck or with any controller.
Unless they have some sort of “steam deck only” matchmaking, but even then it’s just not made for controller.
You can use a keyboard and mouse with the steam deck. Probably not super common but definitely doable.
It’s plenty common. I have a dock all set up as do many others!
It’s not a standard xbox controller. There’s a gyro with several ways to handle it, including flick, which does take a little time to get used to, but works really well as a mouse substitution for such an environment. Some people are just that good with a thumbstick as well and can easily enjoy casual gamemodes.
Steam Deck is a capable beast, even for a game like Counter-Strike.
The same was said about the steam controller, but in the end it was still shit compared to a mouse. It’s just not feasible in a game as competitive as csgo.
It’s not for everyone, but calling it shit just because it doesn’t work easily for your liking is
a bit much since it’s still usable to some. I beat plethora of shooters on gyro and it wasn’t that much harder than playing on mouse once I got used to it.
Controllers in general are also extremely accessible, and expandable for those that might struggle using a tradtional mouse and keyboard.
CS:GO is dead, though, and neither of the popular and beloved entries to the series was ever solely focused on the competitive scene - the community and the casual fun also matter in the world of Counter-Strike, and that’s one of its parts that can be enjoyed on a controller just fine. Of course I don’t expect to be able to perform just as well or better than the M+K players when playing on a controller, regardless of its gyro capabilities, especially in the competitive modes. Counter-Strike is just much more than just a competitive game.
Eh, people always say this yet data shows it’s not true. Many competitive games have had controller vs m+k and found no discernible advantage. Halo for one, gears of war is another I remember.
I play with an elite controller and I have had zero problem winning and going mvp against m+k players in any game I’ve played. I play PUBG where m+k use is rampant and I still maintain a 30-40% win rate in squads, often in 2 man squads.
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I’d say in this instance there’s a massive difference between CS and OW tbh.
I can believe that you could do well and enjoy OW on controller vs M+K, as the game gives you a lot of tools that reduce the need for good aim.
In CS, I just can’t see how you’d work around that though. To each their own, but I don’t see how CS could ever be enjoyable on controller vs K+M.
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At its core, CS is a competitive shooter. Having casual maps and modes is fun but the game should not cater to this play mode. If valve tries to make it casual friendly they will disappoint the competitive players and will not be able to compete with other casual shooters.
Basically I don’t want then to cater too much to the casual scene
This isn’t what’s happening, though? What are you on about?
Valve caters more to the casual scene than most companies do by allowing custom servers and an in game custom server browser.
How much more casual can it get?
Being on a console, on the couch.
CSGO was made entirely for the purpose of being a console game, no body played it on console so they abandoned it
You are perfectly capable of setting on the couch at any time. The computer does not stop this. You are actively making the decision to not sit on a couch, as an adult you’re allowed to do this.
Some games have controller-based matchmaking, where you hop in a lobby and only people with similar controllers to your get matched against you. So if you play with keyboard and mouse, you play against keyboard and mouse players. If you play with a controller, you play against other people with controllers. With crossplay getting more and more popular, I think every game should have this option.
Gyro aim is very good and can easily compete with a mouse
Gyro is a nice improvement on joystick gaming, but it sure as hell isn’t even remotely close to mouse aim
My friend plays basically the same on gyro and on mouse, he’s 3-4 ranks below global elite. Why do you think gyro is so much worse?
Yeah I don’t believe that at all
Small adjustments from rotating a controller will never be nearly as precise as moving a mouse.
Fast flicking wide turns is going to be far too slow even at the fastest joystick speed, which would screw up aiming in other ways as well
Strafing would be very limited even if you somehow overcame all those issues and were magically a human robot. Your controller can only rotate so much to track the player over a distance.
Joystick movement is simply never as precise as mouse, including with gyro that has a separate slow speed to try and be accurate as possible. Which doing that then means you can’t strafe or quick turn.
Mouse can do it all with significantly less effort, and with a much higher skill ceiling. Which that is what matters if you’re in competitive play. If you’re not trying to be competitive, then fuck it, use whatever is fun.
Not in a game like counter strike with flicking and very precise spray patterns.
Both of those things are easily done with Gyro. You should try it out :D
Of course, I don’t doubt that. But someone with say 500 hours in csgo playing with keyboard mouse will absolutely destroy someone with 500 hours playing with sticks/gyro. But honestly I can’t think of a single streamer or pro that doesn’t use keyboard mouse