The rampant use of Discord in FLOSS project is really disheartening. To join yet another Discord channel to receive any kind of support or discussions around the project, is off-putting.
Discord is the worst. The siloing of tons of information that should be publicly searchable and accessible via a public forum, but instead it’s siloed off into this closed wall with shitty search.
I actually wish Lemmy was better searchable as well. I think Lemmy could be way better and drive adoption if it had a cross instance search engine / indexer.
I’m unsure. I use jerboa, maybe it’s that. But search doesn’t really search the content of posts. I.e. how I can google something, include reddit in the search terms, and find a relevant post(s)
Now. Fuck google, but I want to be able to do the equivalent with Lemmy posts.
Having (re)started using IRC recently, I can see it being a good alternative. But more accessible options like Matrix and Discourse are being overlooked.
Matrix the protocol & its blockchain-like eventual consistency model is incredibly expensive / wasteful to run since it requires duplicating all data to all servers for the entire history. Matrix uses so much storage & RAM on a machine. Medium-sized servers regularly close their door due to costs—which further pushes users to the de facto centralized hub in Matrix.org (or servers they host for others) which basically has a copy of all metadata on the network (scary since it was originally funded by Israeli Intelligence … so one might assume they still have access to that data). If a system isn’t accessible to a run for groups on a budget, it isn’t radical/revolutionary.
If you don’t care about the centralization or E2EE, IRC/IRCv3 covers all the bases. If you want decentralization with more features, XMPP + OMEMO + MUCs, covers the rest. Neither of these are resource hogs while having over a decade of extra stability. Matrix 2 is just trying throw a rug over the problems of eventual consistency—but under it is a fundamental issue to the protocol.
But aren’t room contents indexed and accessible from any client ?
With a Discord account, you can search in a Discord channel for any servers you have access to, as well as any of your private chats. This means you need to sign up with a commercial account and agree to lots of tracking and data selling, it means that information can be withheld by banning someone from a server, and that information could become very inaccessible relying on people screenshotting it and posting it on other places as has happened with information from Discord servers several times.
We need to stop this usage of proprietary MS GitHub + Discord in free software. It completely undermines the philosophy.
The rampant use of Discord in FLOSS project is really disheartening. To join yet another Discord channel to receive any kind of support or discussions around the project, is off-putting.
Discord is the worst. The siloing of tons of information that should be publicly searchable and accessible via a public forum, but instead it’s siloed off into this closed wall with shitty search.
I actually wish Lemmy was better searchable as well. I think Lemmy could be way better and drive adoption if it had a cross instance search engine / indexer.
If your instance is federated well, how does Lemmy not already have the search you’re speaking of?
I’m unsure. I use jerboa, maybe it’s that. But search doesn’t really search the content of posts. I.e. how I can google something, include reddit in the search terms, and find a relevant post(s)
Now. Fuck google, but I want to be able to do the equivalent with Lemmy posts.
Kagi has a fediverse lense, but I’d give the Lemmy webUI a try whenever you wanna search something up. It’s not that bad.
I’ll give it a shot. Thanks!
You’re not alone with your opinion.
Like, IRC exists and it just as useful to me as discord. Set up a wiki for FAQ’s and documentation.
FAQs*
Having (re)started using IRC recently, I can see it being a good alternative. But more accessible options like Matrix and Discourse are being overlooked.
Plus there’s Matrix 2 now so, no excuse
Matrix the protocol & its blockchain-like eventual consistency model is incredibly expensive / wasteful to run since it requires duplicating all data to all servers for the entire history. Matrix uses so much storage & RAM on a machine. Medium-sized servers regularly close their door due to costs—which further pushes users to the de facto centralized hub in Matrix.org (or servers they host for others) which basically has a copy of all metadata on the network (scary since it was originally funded by Israeli Intelligence … so one might assume they still have access to that data). If a system isn’t accessible to a run for groups on a budget, it isn’t radical/revolutionary.
If you don’t care about the centralization or E2EE, IRC/IRCv3 covers all the bases. If you want decentralization with more features, XMPP + OMEMO + MUCs, covers the rest. Neither of these are resource hogs while having over a decade of extra stability. Matrix 2 is just trying throw a rug over the problems of eventual consistency—but under it is a fundamental issue to the protocol.
damn that’s a bummer.
That does not solve most of the problems; you still have to join unindexable group chats to receive any amount of support and discussion.
Right, that’s not the tool for the job. Forums boards are still best at retaining information.
But aren’t room contents indexed and accessible from any client ? they aren’t accessible from a web search engine is what I understand
With a Discord account, you can search in a Discord channel for any servers you have access to, as well as any of your private chats. This means you need to sign up with a commercial account and agree to lots of tracking and data selling, it means that information can be withheld by banning someone from a server, and that information could become very inaccessible relying on people screenshotting it and posting it on other places as has happened with information from Discord servers several times.
Yes, I was talking about Matrix
Does Matrix 2 have channels?
Indeed.