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  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    the separatist government’s were legitimate

    And definitely in no way funded or supported by Russia, right?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/26/russia-admits-soldiers-in-ukraine

    https://youtu.be/xV0FUx5i9eA

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/selfie-soldiers-russia-checks-in-to-ukraine/

    Russia indisputibly fired the first shots, and the so-called genocide in donbas was about 3k civilian deaths over 8 years of conflict. Not ideal, but still miles better than the 12k civilians killed (often deliberately) in the almost 3 years since the full scale invasion by Russia. Not to mention the cities literally shelled to rubble.

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      10 days ago

      The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Like when the CIA supported the Maidan coup or any other color revolution, the GRU taking advantage of very real grievances of the Russian-speaking population of Donbass to advance its own geopolitical interests at the expense of those same people doesn’t mean those grievances didn’t exist or that those people were happy being part of a Ukrainian state that made them second-class citizens.

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        9 days ago

        Yes exactly the same. I remember the Abrams and us soldiers rolling through the streets in support of the coup of the totally not russian puppet.

        But hey, if you think the CIA can literally psyop 70+% of a country into supporting EU membership, then you might be more of an American exceptionalist than the liberals you hate.

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          9 days ago

          If you think the US doesn’t fund and arm right-wing factions and media in adversarial (and sometimes “friendly”) countries, IDK what to tell you.

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            9 days ago

            Obviously they fund groups to further their interests. You still can’t compare it to active Russian soldiers on the ground pretending to be separatists.