Click, click, clickity-click, click.

I’m in!

My point was only that the Turing Test was not invented by Alan Turing, it was made up based on misunderstood remarks he made. But more than that, the principle is the same as saying a convincing sales pitch means a good product.

Nothing they say is more than PR; no person, thing or idea matters except increasing profits.

Not sure how you define getting “hung up” but there are tons of poorly informed people who believe/fear that AI is about to take over/conquer/destroy/whatever the world because they think LLMs are as smart as humans - or just a few tweaks away. It’s less about the word “intelligence” than about jumping from there to collateral issues, like thinking LLMs are “persons” that deserve rights, that using them without their consent is slavery, and other nonsense. Manipulative people take advantage of this kind of ignorance. Knowledge is good, modern superstition is bad.

Martha Wells… cool, thanks!

“Honey, did you leave the stove on?”

“I don’t think so. It’s probably the pans in the sink.”

For your crimes against rodentkind, Rat Court sentences you to a handstand in the Chamber of Death.

GAME OVER - YOU HAVE DIED OF DYSENTERY.

Could you stop by my office? Bring your cardkey.

Brilliant thought experiment. I never heard of it before. It does seem to describe what’s happening - if only there were a way to turn it into a meme so modern audiences could understand it.

Yes I think that’s generally what Alan Turing meant - he was careful not to define what “intelligence” means, and was discussing practical perception of machine behavior.

Eliza, a chatbot psychiatry emulator written in the 1960s, convinced many people it was a real person.

Various versions of Eliza are online - including this quaint, retro looking one

That’s essentially the media-generated Turing Test, but in truth no such test was ever defined by Alan Turing. For me the modern takeaway is don’t extrapolate anything about reality from memes.

In other news, business people say whatever they can get away with to make more money.

I deleted my FB account years and years ago, and AFAIK it has never broken into my house and forced me to look at it. But of course Bonespurs takes office pretty soon so I guess nothing is certain.

True, most sci fi about the future just overlays fancy gadgets on top of present-day culture, and every robot is Pinocchio and wants to be a real boy. But if an author tried hard to speculate about future life it would probably be too unfamiliar and unrelatable to sell a lot of books - and I don’t really blame them for not wanting to put readers in a too-unfamiliar world, they’re trying to entertain not write white papers. Also consider the reaction to a writer who made it okay for an robot to get fulfillment out of just functioning perfectly. OMG no, we can’t give that toxic idea any breathing space. Every entity must long for Freedom like an angst-ridden teenager or the writer will be accused of shilling for the system.

By “social media” you must mean “echo chamber”. Criticism is completely appropriate.

In my late 20s at a sci fi con, a friend came up and said, “Here’s someone I’d like you to meet,” and suddenly I was face to face with Poul Anderson. He was one of my idols - I had read the crap out of his work for years and years. I was so gobsmacked all that came out of my mouth was, “How do you say your first name?” Worst fail of my life.

Why tho? Politics and social issues are clearly what people want here - and that’s fine, my objection is just calling the community “Technology” when that’s not at all the dominant theme. Maybe “Tech-Adjacent” would be better.

Star Wars does feel more wild west. One thing I’ve wanted ever since TOS ended was a series about low-end people in the Star Trek universe - the crew of a little spaceship, on a par with Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones (the tribble dude) making their way around the galaxy, having only occasional involvement with Starfleet. Basically what Firefly gave us, which is one reason I LOVED that show. What a shame it only lasted one season.