edit: As I’m seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms.
It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board.
FAQ:
Why?
That’s a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada’s excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances.
How does this work?
Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed.
What about the posts?
Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world’s federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won’t be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled.
As for the posts on lemmy.world’s 196, we’re leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I’LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
Once again, here’s the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    752·
    3 days ago

    I would like to propose a solution that I think can make everyone happy. Transfer ownership of Blahaj 196 to a new mod team and make World 196 the alternate community. If anyone wishes to follow the original mod team into world they would be able to, meanwhile blahaj 196 would follow the values of Blahaj. I personally volunteer to either be the head or a moderator here.

  • Lumelore (She/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    96·
    3 days ago

    We won’t be moving to world with you. We like blahaj and we like 196 being on blahaj. If you don’t want to be here, you should instead just hand over your mod positions to people who do.

  • glilimith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    76·
    3 days ago

    I’ve seen a lot of talk about how this move changes the admins the community will be under, but very little about how this will change the randos that pass through. The mods keep saying this won’t change anything, that the moderation will stay the same, etc, but the reason this community is the way it is is that there are a lot of locals that find it. When the new community shows up on l.w’s local page, it will bring in a far different crowd. Their posts, comments, and up/down votes will change the community, and there’s no amount of moderation that will fix that.

    Mods, this is why people are mad you made this change without asking anyone. Many of us do not want an influx of .world users into this space because we know what kind of politics and biases they’ll bring with them and that, even if you moderate the bigots, the normies will still likely overpower the queer voices this community is known for.

  • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    61·
    3 days ago

    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone did you consult even a single member of your community or did you just decide this was good for you, like on a personal level?

    thanks for linking the new one it makes it easy to block.

    very disappointed. :(

  • nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    671·
    3 days ago

    I’m sorry but what the fuck are you on?

    lemmy.world

    Literally the worst instance for a decentralized platform (cuz they’re already too big).

    please be assured we have same mod team

    No that doesn’t assure me. Whichever mods signed off on this should be removed from any 196 community because you took rule too seriously and forgot about your community before posting

    It’s really obvious what this is about. And it’s not a good look for you.

    • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works
      29·
      3 days ago

      If you don’t want to get into it yourself, totally cool, but if anyone else does - what is this about?? Like, I don’t understand the moderatorial and ideological differences referenced that justify bringing 196 to .world.

      I loved having 196 on blahaj specifically, means more exposure to my trans and gender diverse homies and their memes because they feel safe here.

      Edit: To those just joining us, who like me comment before reading the whole thread, this is a good place to start: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12464713

      [Edit edit: Changed to a LBZ link, because having it be the lemmy.world link is the height of irony]

      • nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        28·
        3 days ago

        Basically lemmy.blahaj.zone has gotten some criticism because of the server rules and stickied instance posts where we are to respect everyone’s identity/neopronouns. There are a few people who identity as something people consider not real, such as dragons. Neopronouns arent necessarily meant to be literally real, and someone may identify as something they feel resembles them such as a dragon, or “fae”. But some people believe that since dragons/fae/etc don’t literally exist then they aren’t valid identities/neopronouns. These people think that lemmy.blahaj.zone is enabling trolls identifing as non-real things. It also means that people in this 196 community need(ed) to respect people’s identities even if they didn’t think they were valid. Apparently that was too much to ask for the mods of this community.

        Personally i don’t know, nor do i care, if the 1-2 people are trolling. If they are, they aren’t typical nasty trolls. They are just like any other user to me. Imo If someone wants to identify as a dragon then good for them. If anything it helps identify people who are openly combative with the instance rules.

        All that is to say, it was clear to me that the mods want to move to another instance where they don’t have to respect identities they don’t consider valid. And my suspicion was right because the mod spelled it out down thread

        […] I can guarantee we will not be expected to entertain trolls […]

      • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        24·
        3 days ago

        I can only guess that this is about this instance’s zero-tolerance policy for transphobia. This means there might be higher standards for removing transphobic content than the mods might be capable of meeting / willing to meet. This is just a guess, though - I would like some clarification as well, esp. since in the absence of clarity it just looks like 196 is moving because they don’t want to be vigilant about removing transphobic content, which as nimble pointed out is not a good look. 🤷‍♀️

        EDIT: found the answer

        https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713

        in response to the question:

        Compromise on what? What’s the issue?

        The post doesn’t really say anything spesific [sic]

        We get this response:

        A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world:

        Heavy-handed moderation, mostly. Don’t get me wrong, we do love Ada and appreciate her work, but sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.

        To put it bluntly, (and I mean no disrespect, but) her mod actions often felt very vibes-based. Like her feelings heavily influenced her decisions. We want the rules to be enforced in a more objective fashion.

        So we asked her to let us handle 196 if the content in question wasn’t explicitly trans/queerphobic or illegal, etc… She disagreed, and we respect her view, so we brought up the idea of moving and she gave us her blessing.

        so tl;dr disagreements about 1. what counts as violations, and 2. the severity of punishment for those violations (where Blahaj admins are perceived as too strict and 196 mods wish to be more lenient).

        • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works
          13·
          3 days ago

          Thank you - asked the question in another place, and while I’d much prefer an offical comment from Ada and/or Moss or the other mods, I’m starting to form a picture.

          If it’s a capability thing I would hope there would’ve been a call for more mods to support the instance-wide rules…easy to say, of course, but I feel like there’s so much love for this community they’d have some volunteers.

          This sucks.

          Edit: Start here, folks: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12464713

          • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            6·
            3 days ago

            I agree it sucks, but I also want to resist the the urge to villainize the 196 mods in the absence of information. Maybe they are just being realistic, or maybe they really prefer to have more moderation autonomy to determine what they consider transphobic - it’s not clear to me.

              • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works
                16·
                3 days ago

                Agreed - putting rationale aside, locking the community and just saying “We are moving our community to .world, go there” without community consultation is a terrible move.

                Man, haven’t had to think this much about the relationships between instances, communities, and userbases re: ‘ownership’ for a while.

              • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                9·
                3 days ago

                I pretty much agree. It seems more in the spirit of the fediverse to let blahaj 196 to continue with new mods that are more comfortable with the hard line blahaj takes about transphobia, and if the old mods wish to start a new 196 community on .world, there’s nothing stopping them.

  • BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    49·
    3 days ago

    Adding my voice to the pile. Leave it here. Unlock it and let new mods take over. You can do your thing wherever you want. But let us do our thing where we want.

  • DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world
    38·
    3 days ago

    Keep this community open for everyone and find a new mod team. With the world admin team “busting echo chambers” (even thoughs that aren’t echo chambers) by overarching mod undercutting admin action, I’m extremely worried that this alone will ruin 196 as a whole. The etiquette on world is also different which will result in the altering of the community into some unknown. The quality content may also suffer a degradation as the culture of blajha and world are not the same.

  • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    712·
    3 days ago

    I guess those ideological issues were the acceptance and safe space for queer people, but fuck us I guess. Don’t worry, we won’t hop on over to the shit show.

    Maybe we can start a 197 like how 196 came from 195.

    What a shitty fucking take from some power tripped mods.

    • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      12·
      3 days ago

      https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713

      looks like the main differences are about what counts as violations and how to deal with them:

      196 mod said:

      sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.

      Ada’s response:

      every post and user I removed was due to queerphobia, transphobia, trolling or spam, issues that broke the instances rules. Some of that bigotry was was implicit rather than explicit, like dog whistles, tone policing etc. Some of it was the “just asking questions” transphobia that pervades most corporate owned social media spaces. … As moss said, this is ideological differences in how low grade transphobia and queerphobia should be dealt with. moss is ok with community pushback for the low grade stuff rather than moderation, whereas I’ll just remove it.

      So it’s not as simple as queer acceptance vs not, but rather what counts as a violation and how severely those rules are enforced.

    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
      4·
      3 days ago

      Yeah and it looks like the admins of blahaj are with the mod team on this, so i assume there wont be any reopening of 196 here. That means either 197 on blahaj or move to a different instance. I feel like the former would just lead to a repeat of the same story tho, if the instance admins here are ok with this kind of behaviour.

      It would be a power move if they just purged all the .world people from this community with this move and then reopened the community without the old mods.

  • not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    80·
    4 days ago

    u guys should mod a community on lemmy.world if they share ur values more but don’t steal our community

    • Moss@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
      577·
      4 days ago

      we aren’t stealing your community. the people who built and facilitated this community are the people who are migrating this community.

      • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1081·
        4 days ago

        I thought we left that attitude on Reddit, that’s a really disappointing and insulting take. The community is the community, not a handful of moderators. We’re grateful for the work y’all are doing, but, and I really don’t intend this as an insult, moderators are replaceable.

      • shinratdr@lemmy.ca
        942·
        4 days ago

        Setting aside what an awful & insulting response this (the community is the community, that’s why the word exists. Moderators are not the community)…

        If you really believe this, then why lock the existing one? Obviously your well planned & executed move will be wildly successful, so there should be no need to lock the existing one. Unless of course 8 people who do caretaker duties on the community are in fact NOT the community, the people are and you need them, even if you don’t respect their opinions or contributions.

        • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
          184·
          3 days ago

          Yeah im sure 4.47k people subbed to the new community in a matter of 6 hours and its not just a bunch of bots used to validate this decision in the eyes of uninitiated bystanders. I mean the .world community is older than 6 hours, but it was completely dead for the last 3 months until yesterday.

      • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        42·
        3 days ago

        By moving a queer community to an openly hostile network you are stealing a community

        I don’t see why if you’re unhappy with moderation decisions why you can’t start your own 196 over on world and leave this one alone

      • Themadbeagle@lemm.ee
        381·
        3 days ago

        A community is not something you can “migrate”. You are not migrating a community, you are migrating a community space and in doing so, you are alienating said community. If you are unwilling to provide a safe space for said community, the community will either find new space or take their space back.

        • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
          25·
          3 days ago

          The answer in that case would be for some users with a history of good faith interaction who are interested in doing so to reach out to the blahaj admins and ask if they can take over the running of this Community.

          • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
            4·
            3 days ago

            We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this.

            Ada being a blahaj admin. If that is true then i wouldnt be too optimistic.

      • LuckingFurker (Any/All)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        591·
        4 days ago

        In that case then why even announce anything? Apparently it’s your community and you can do what you like with it, you take your ball and go home. I assume that means you’ll be making and posting all the content there yourself?

      • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        34·
        3 days ago

        I think for people who feel safe on blahaj but aren’t guaranteed that safety on .world, it might feel like locking /c/196 on Blahaj and the moderators telling everyone to move to .world is a bit like stealing the community. Maybe /u/not_IO meant that 196 on Blahaj should remain unlocked so 196 can continue to exist on Blahaj, but obviously the question is who will moderate the community if the moderators all leave for .world?

    • Lumu@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      631·
      4 days ago

      Seriously. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea should leave the community, so ultimately this may be a good thing, so long as this community is kept here and passed to other people.